Each Sunday during Sacrament Meeting (one of the three hours of church I attend each Sunday), different speakers stand up and give their remarks. They are not paid, not schooled in religion, and often don’t like speaking in public. They have varying degrees of education, a multitude of careers, and come from all walks of life. They are regular, ordinary, average, members of the congregation, just like you and me.
Actually, this week it IS me standing up to give remarks. Actually if you want to be down with the Mormon lingo you would call it a “talk”. I’ll be speaking to approximately 300 people at 11:30 am CST, basing my remarks off of this talk by Elder Scott. I thought you all might enjoy reading through my talk and pretending you were sitting in the pew staring up at me along with everyone else. I’m copying and pasting here exactly as it is written (although I had to censor out our last name for privacys sake). It is written for an LDS audience, whereas Sunday Posts here on That Wife are written mainly for a non-LDS audience, so there may be phrases that don’t make sense. Also, please keep in mind that this is a talk written for a one time event, never really intended (or proofed appropriately!) to be preserved for all time here on the Internet. Also it’s 4 am and I’m just adding in the last paragraph.
I’m supposed to speak for 15 minutes and I’m worried I don’t have enough material. Guess I’ll just talk slow and hope it goes okay (or just leave extra time for That Husband to fill! Sorry honey!)
Please feel free to ask for clarifications in the comments.
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As Sister Bennett did a few weeks ago, I am going to take it upon myself to begin by introducing us as a couple. We are the B______, a Polish last name I can’t even say correctly. Look at my husbands face when I say it again: B_______. Did he smile? It’s because I butcher it every time I say it. He’s from Poland (hence the crazy difficult last name), I’m from central Washington, and we met at BYU. We moved into the ward after we were married in October and we don’t currently have any children, although we are thinking about upgrading in the near future.
Back when I was a student at BYU I worked for the best employer on campus, BYU Catering. My favorite part about this job, aside from the refrigerator full of free food, was how frequently it brought us into contact with the General Authorities of the Church. One evening we began swapping “General Authority Encounter” stories when someone spoke up and told of a female friend who had been put in charge of monitoring the door for a banquet in the Wilkinson Center. The banquet was just about to begin when one last guest came to the door. “Your name please,” the employee behind the table asked, list in hand, ready to make sure the man at the door was meant to walk inside. There was a slight pause, and then the answer came. “My name is Richard G. Scott.” Of course no other introduction was necessary, and the embarrassed girl jumped to her feet to escort one of the guests of honor to the head table.
Though this anecdote has nothing to with the topic of my talk today, I was reminded of this humorous encounter when I was given a talk by Elder Scott entitled “Truth Restored” as a reference for my remarks. Based on the title I expected this talk to detail the events of the Restoration of the Gospel through Joseph Smith, but I found the subject matter to be a much more personal than that. The tagline for this talk is “The Father’s plan of salvation and happiness … will help you overcome every challenge in life.” After reading through his words, and then going back to the tagline once more I realized that this talk is an attempt by Elder Scott to help us see how we can utilize our knowledge of the Restored Gospel to find happiness. As we begin to truly understand who we are, where we’ve been, and the means which our Father has provided for us to return to Him, we will know how to keep our second estate as detailed in Abraham 3:26
And they who akeep their first bestate shall be added upon; and they who keep not their first estate shall not have glory in the same kingdom with those who keep their first estate; and they who keep their second cestate shall have dglory added upon their heads for ever and ever.
There are two estates mentioned in this scripture, and I’ve got great news for you: Every single person on the planet has kept their first estate already. The decision to keep this estate was made back during our days in the pre-mortal life when we chose the Plan of Salvation presented by Heavenly Father instead of the plan devoid of agency presented by Satan. The verse in Abraham lets us know that there are only two estates to keep, we’ve already kept the first, and by my calculations this means we’ve done 50% of the work already.
Now what about this second estate? I, for one, want to make sure I understand exactly what this second estate is because keeping it equals eternal glory, something I definitely don’t want to miss out on. A little bit of digging led me to a talk by Elder Marion G. Romney, in which he was kind enough to add a little bit of clarification to the verse I just quoted from Abraham.
“And they who keep their first estate [the spirit estate in which we then were] shall be added upon; and they who keep not their first estate shall not have glory in the same kingdom with those who keep their first estate; and they who keep their second estate [this estate where we are, this mortal period] shall have glory added upon their heads for ever and ever.”
[There are three estates. Pre-morta life, moral life, and eternal life after that]. Abraham calls these phases “estates”: we had the premortal state when we lived as spirit children of God; we have our “second estate,” which is the mortality we are now experiencing and our sojourn in the spirit world following death; and in the future we will have a reuniting of the soul into a state of immortality through the Resurrection [this is the third estate].
Thanks to Elder Romney we now understand that the estates are essentially the different phases of the Plan of Salvation. I realized after reading Elder Romney’s remarks that the emphasis in this scripture from Abraham should be on the word “keep”. We have already entered into our second estate or phase, which occurred when we came to earth and gained a body of flesh and bones. But keeping that estate is predicated upon our ability to accept Jesus as the Christ and obey all of His commandments.
Unfortunately we can’t remember all the work we did in the pre-mortal life in keeping our first estate, so sometimes it feels like we are slogging through the mud without getting anywhere. These are the times when it is most important for us to remember the purpose of our mortal lives, the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ, and the Restoration of the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. We cannot be like those who have forgotten or abandoned their second estate. Elder Scott warned:
While this precious, vital message has been proclaimed across the world, Satan has been most effective in causing people to ignore it or to look in the wrong places for it. The vast majority of Father’s children have not only forgotten their Father in Heaven and the purpose of mortal life, but they rarely even think of Him nor ponder for what purpose they are here in mortality. They have been led to be absorbed by mundane things that distract them from the essential ones. Don’t you make that mistake.
It might just be because I am a ward missionary, but Elder Scotts warning to not make the same mistake as those of the world who have forgotten their second estate got me thinking about missionary work. Our purpose in coming to earth was to gain and keep our second estate, and once we have the tools necessary to do so it becomes our responsibility to help others remember how to keep theirs as well. After mankind sank into a period absent of Truth (which we refer to as the Dark Ages), God took action as never before. To quote Elder Scott:
The scriptures record that throughout history, on occasions of exceptional importance, God the Father’s voice has been heard. On repeated occasions Jesus Christ has personally appeared to select individuals. Yet there is only one supernal, singular instance of which we have knowledge that God the Father Himself appeared in person. This was done with His precious Holy Son, Jesus Christ, to an audience of one. Our benevolent Father came from His vast creations to this earth to clarify truth, to disperse the intense clouds of spiritual darkness, to establish His true identity, to restore a fulness of truth, and to provide the only way to obtain secure, spiritual guidance.
The Restoration brought forth the long-lost knowledge which is necessary to keep our second estate. The Lord knew that a powerful testimony of the Restoration may not be enough for some, and so He inspired His prophets to keep a record which we would come to know as the Book of Mormon.
The way to confirm the reality of the Restoration is described in its pages according to Elder Scott. As I embark on my own missionary efforts, I at times begin to feel frustrated by my inability to convince people of the truthfulness of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, even when I open myself up and share my testimony straight from my heart and soul. Elder Scotts remarks reminded me that God knew that even the most sincere testimony from one person may not be enough. I do not have to rely on my testimony alone. I can use the powerful testimonies of prophets of God such as Nephi, Alma, Helaman, and Moroni found within the Book of Mormon. This book is truly Another Witness of Jesus Christ, and to quote Elder Scott once again The way to confirm the reality of the Restoration is described in its pages. I won’t make the mistake of abandoning my second estate, and the scriptures are key to convince others to partake in the necessary ordinances to keep theirs as well.
May we each strive to keep our second estate, and also work to spread the knowledge of how to do so to others, that we may be everlastingly rewarded throughout eternal life, the third estate. In the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.















May 24th, 2009 on 6:58 am
Looks good and seems like it will be an engaging talk. Good luck!
From this I assume that Mormons use the term “Dark Ages” differently from the standard meaning. Do you believe in multiple “Dark Ages” such as the time between the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament?
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MrsW Reply:
May 24th, 2009 at 7:41 am
Heh, that’s actually exactly what I was going to ask. As a history major in college, I always had a problem with the standard definition of the Dark Ages, which in historical terms is the age (roughly) from the fall of the Roman Empire in the 5th century A.D. to the beginning of the Renaissance in the 15th-16th centuries. The layman’s understanding of this period is generally that it was devoid of any real advances in science or learning, which is just not true at all — there was a great deal of learning, both scientific and philosophic, going on in both the Christian world and the Muslim world.
Is this the meaning of Dark Ages you intended, or did you mean more of a “religious” dark age (another concept that I’ve never agreed with at any point in history — God has never not had a people, in my opinion)?
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Evelyn Reply:
May 24th, 2009 at 11:51 am
I’ll let Jenna give the concrete response to your question, but *I* inferred that the dark ages to which she refers IS a “religious” dark age.
While God has always had a people, they haven’t always had Him. If you know what I mean…
But that’s obviously a very cavalier response to your question… I don’t think the religious dark ages would refer to a period where there were no believers in God & Jesus Christ, because I think it’s safe to say there have always been people of faith… I’m probably not the best teacher/explainer of our beliefs regarding the subject, but I found this quote from Elder M. Russell Ballard’s talk entitled “Learning the Lessons from the Past” in which he says:
“You don’t have to be a Latter-day Saint—you don’t even have to be religious—to see the repeating pattern of history in the lives of God’s children as recorded in the Old Testament. Time and again we see the cycle of righteousness followed by wickedness. Similarly, the Book of Mormon records that ancient civilizations of this continent followed exactly the same pattern: righteousness followed by prosperity, followed by material comforts, followed by greed, followed by pride, followed by wickedness and a collapse of morality until the people brought calamities upon themselves sufficient to stir them up to humility, repentance, and change.
“In the relatively short span of years covered by the New Testament, the historic pattern repeats itself again. This time the people turned against Christ and His Apostles. The collapse was so great we have come to know it as the Great Apostasy, which led to the centuries of spiritual stagnation and ignorance called the Dark Ages.
“Now, I need to be very clear about these historically reoccurring periods of apostasy and spiritual darkness. Our Heavenly Father loves all of His children, and He wants them all to have the blessings of the gospel in their lives. Spiritual light is not lost because God turns His back on His children. Rather, spiritual darkness results when His children turn their collective backs on Him. It is a natural consequence of bad choices made by individuals, communities, countries, and entire civilizations. This has been proven again and again throughout the course of time. One of the great lessons of this historical pattern is that our choices, both individually and collectively, do result in spiritual consequences for ourselves and for our posterity.”
And Jenna… I taught the lesson in Relief Society today (even with the necessity of a translator and just 10 minutes of lesson time available, I had so much fun!) and am thinking I may post it on our blog, mostly for my mom, but partly because your post here is a fun way to have the effort we put into our talks/lessons last a little longer. =)
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Evelyn Reply:
May 24th, 2009 at 11:52 am
Oops, here’s a link to the talk referenced above, if anyone’s interested.
http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=f318118dd536c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=5736230bac7f0210VgnVCM100000176f620a____&hideNav=1
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R Reply:
May 25th, 2009 at 10:55 am
I would be really interested to see someone defend the LDS position on the concept of a religious “dark age”. I think that you *do* have to be a Latter-day Saint to see things Elder Ballard’s way. Obviously Mormon’s don’t agree with me, so I’d love to have one point out what I’m missing. I haven’t encountered an explanation of exactly what constitutes a time of wickedness/apostasy and how the early church fulfilled this–other than vague references that require one to already agree that most everything pre-Joseph Smith was questionable! I realize that the problem is that what I’ve read is mostly Mormons talking to themselves, but that is why I am asking directly.
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Jenna Reply:
May 28th, 2009 at 4:57 am
R,
Remember that the entire LDS religion is based on the idea that the authority of the Church of Jesus Christ was lost shortly after the Apostles during the time of Jesus Christ died. Thus, the period between that time and the time of Joseph Smith is commonly called the “Dark Age” by members of the Church because it is a time without the authority of the Priesthood upon the earth.
I realize that this contradicts drastically with what you believe. Thank you for being tolerant of someone who believes something so differently than you.
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Jenna Reply:
May 28th, 2009 at 4:58 am
Do I need to send you some cupcakes or something? I really, really appreciate you helping me out with these answers. The though of both writing the posts and taking the time to answer all of the questions can be quite overwhelming.
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Jenna Reply:
May 28th, 2009 at 4:59 am
Definitely a “religious” Dark Age. Here is my response to R’s second question in case you didn’t see it:
Remember that the entire LDS religion is based on the idea that the authority of the Church of Jesus Christ was lost shortly after the Apostles during the time of Jesus Christ died. Thus, the period between that time and the time of Joseph Smith is commonly called the “Dark Age” by members of the Church because it is a time without the authority of the Priesthood upon the earth.
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MrsW Reply:
May 28th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Ok, awesome. This leads me to another question (I’m sorry, I’m a very inquisitive person.
). Are there any answers or reasons as to 1. why the authority was lost adn 2. why it was lost for so long (1700 years, is it?). I realize these may seem like impertinent questions to ask essentially of God, but my religion professor in college used the example of a soldier receiving a message from his captain — questioning the messenger’s credentials (in this case, why should I believe Joseph Smith when he says he has authority and revelation that have been withheld for thousands of years) is not questioning my captain (God). I hope you understand that while I don’t agree, I mean no offense. I enjoy the theological workout.
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Jenna Reply:
June 15th, 2009 at 11:45 pm
The authority was lost due to apostasy. the churches started creating their own doctrine. They started creating councils and relying on men and “voting” to make decisions about church doctrine.
As for why there was such a long period of time between the two events (loss of authority and bestowal once again), I don’t pretend to understand why the Lord does things the way he does. Why did Jesus Christ come to the earth when he did? Why did the people have to live with the law of Moses for so long instead of having the fullness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ? I have no idea.
And I never take offense. I enjoy working out these questions in my own head as well!
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May 24th, 2009 on 10:00 am
300 people in Sacrament? That blows my mind! I don’t think our ward has ever broke the 100 mark. I don’t think there were 300 people at Stake Conference last week! Good luck!! Your talk sounds awesome and I’m excited to go to sacrament this morning to hear what our speakers will have to say. Thanks!
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Jenna Reply:
May 28th, 2009 at 4:59 am
Ummm, yeah. This post was written at like 4 am, so probably 150-200 would have been a better estimate.
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May 24th, 2009 on 10:09 am
Sounds great! I’m sure you’ll do a great job – I have to teach Relief Society today, but that’s only about 25 ladies or so. I actually don’t mind giving talks or teaching lessons (having been a teacher), but when I get up to give a talk I still get nervous and worry that I’m speaking way too fast and not making sense!
Anyway, the talk is great and I enjoyed reading it!
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May 24th, 2009 on 12:20 pm
I really enjoy all of your Sunday Posts, and am sure you will do a great job! Since the Book of Mormon is written by the prophets, and the LDS Church has a current prophet, is the Book of Mormon continually expanding? Does your faith believe that God speaks to the Church through the prophets (only the prophets, or can others experience this)?
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Katy Reply:
May 25th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
The Book of Mormon was written by ancient prophets in the Americas. It contatins records of the events of the people over many hundreds of years and spiritual accounts during that same time. The prophet Mormon also wrote in it and compiled all the other records which is why the book bears his name.
The modern day prophets that we sustain (Joseph Smith to the present, Thomas S. Monson) don’t add to that record. However, we get to listen to the leaders of the church at least twice a year in General Conference and every month we can purchase a publication called the Ensign (an official publication of the church). In the Ensign every month are the words of the leaders of the church and other members. The words we hear in the talks at General Conference, other firesides (meetings), and those words written in the Ensign, especially by our President, Thomas S. Monson, are considered “modern day scripture” of sorts. So while the Book of Mormon does not continually expand, we are getting continued guidance and counsel from modern-day prophets in other ways.
We definately believe that God speaks to us all through Thomas S. Monson and through the other apostles, and set apart leaders. They are the only ones that can recieve revelation for the whole church.
However, each one of us CAN have God speak to us and give us guidance specific to our own lives and our own families. Having the gift and power of the Holy Ghost in our lives is one way in how God can communicate with us indivdually. And as the scripture in James 1:5 goes, ‘if any man lack wisdom, let him ask of God’. We believe we can pray with faith to God and He will guide us and inspire us individually.
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Jenna Reply:
May 28th, 2009 at 5:01 am
Katy did a fantastic job of answering this. The Book of Mormon was written literally thousands of years ago and protected by the Lord until it was brought forth by Joseph Smith. Thus that book itself is not added to, but we do believe in “Modern Revelation” which Katy detailed above.
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May 24th, 2009 on 12:24 pm
good talk jenna. loved it.
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May 24th, 2009 on 2:47 pm
I’m sure you did a fabulous job! My husband is talking next week as part of the EQ pres and the YM pres spoke this week…I’m worried (and excited) that they are rotating through the auxilleries and that the YW pres (including me) is next!
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May 24th, 2009 on 3:11 pm
I like your icebreaker about your polish last name; you will definitely get som laughs. Hope the talk went well!
Questions for you: I’m not sure if it’s my computer screen, but I notice when you use religious quotes, you have “a, b, c, etc.” In front of certain words. Is there a code here? Is this a dumb question?
Also, what’s a ward missionary? Do you go door to door in Dallas to try to convert people?
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Jeannie Reply:
May 25th, 2009 at 12:00 am
The a, b, c, etc. is for footnotes found at the bottom of the page of the printed scriptures. If you click on the underlined words (e.g. “estate” in the passage she used above), or if you go to the scriptures.LDS.org website and look up the scriptures Jenna referenced, you’ll see those footnotes as hyperlinks which can lead you to relevant scriptures that have been cross-referenced. It makes scripture study so nice (and easy) since you can quickly find related scriptures in all four of the “Standard Works” (Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants, Pearl of Great Price). Does that make sense?
P.S. Great talk, Jenna! And it makes me feel better that even you are still learning how to say your last name!
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phruphru Reply:
May 25th, 2009 at 8:34 am
Got it, thanks! Now I’m going to check to see if my bible has it.
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May 26th, 2009 on 10:00 am
Hope that everything went well on Sunday. Were you able to stretch to 15 min?
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Jenna Reply:
May 28th, 2009 at 5:02 am
Barely! But they had an intermediate hymn that helped TH from having to speak for extra time because I didn’t do my part. I guess I didn’t mention that he was speaking after me, did I?
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May 28th, 2009 on 8:30 am
I think you mentioned it, but I think it would be hard to fill 15 min; despite the fact that he was following you.
We think 15 min isn’t that long. In the world of public speaking it’s an eternity!
Were you and TH asked to give a talk? Is there a rotation of sorts? Or was this something you both felt God calling you to do this Sunday?
I think it’s really neat that you don’t have one pastor to speak each week; that teaching comes from the community of the church. I think in a lot of ways it keeps the church accountable.
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Kristin Reply:
May 28th, 2009 at 8:30 am
Sorry, I meant this to be a reply to your comments above.
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Jenna Reply:
June 15th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
Members of the congregation are called by the bishops counselor and asked to give a talk. Childless couples tend to give talks together, while usually adults with children will only have one member of the couple speak so the other can sit in the pews and take care of the kids. It was fun to speak together and see how the two of us interpreted the same topic!
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