Somehow, though I shouldn’t be by now, I’m still sometimes surprised by the little things you guys pick up on. Sometimes I expect comments on the little things I slip in because I put them there purposely to get a reaction, but most of the time I let my word vomit spill out over the screen without giving much thought to how vastly different we all are and the ways I could never imagine you might react to the things I consider commonplace.
The latest example of this manifested in a comment left by one of my favorite e-friends, Cate, on my Thanksgiving post:
Also, gotta say, I found it weird how you put a smiley after the bit about how the women did the washing up while the men relaxed. Does this really make you smile? Did the women do most/all of the cooking too? (I’m not judging, I’m just interested. As I’ve said before, you and I have so much in common, but then some things about our lives and attitudes are so different, it makes me find those differences extra fascinating because of the similarities I think.)
I love Cate because she’s able to call me out on stuff without coming across as rude. I really believe her when she says she isn’t judging me. She acknowledges how different our backgrounds and beliefs are, and it’s true, we are very different. But then we also have lovely similarities that make me hope we can meet up for elevenses someday with our babies and compare notes.
But to answer her question…
This year for Thanksgiving TH and I were given three different assignments, to bring sparling cider, a dish made with green beans, and a pie. I went out shopping for all of the ingredients and bought the Martinelli’s all by myself*, came home and prepared them all without any help from TH (a process that took several hours), and washed all of the dishes after it was all over. Although I do not know for sure, I imagine the experience was similar for my cousin in regards to the amount of participation her husband had with dealing with the food and planning of a holiday meal for 12. Her husband did carve the turkey, but I don’t think that would satisfy many in a discussion like this about gender stereotypes and assumptions of female roles as that is a job typically deferred to the man of the house. (Presumably because it involves meat and knives(?)) The other two women in the group were single so they did not have husbands to ask for help. When the meal was finished the women gravitated toward the kitchen with handfuls of dishes and began rinsing and drying while the men made their way to the game room to watch football or the living room to sit and talk.
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When laid out in such a simplistic manner, life looks rather unjust for the women, does it not? If only life were so simple!
We stayed at my cousin’s house for about 5 hours on Thanksgiving day, and then we drove home and TH sat on the couch and began to work. He worked through the evening, through the night (first night of no sleep), through the next morning, through the afternoon, through the evening, through the night (second night of no sleep), got up and went and took the GMAT (scored 10 points better than his previous score!), came home and worked through the rest of the day, into the night, slept 4 hours or so, got up and went to church for 3 hours, came home and worked through the afternoon and late into the night once again. He stumbled into bed a few hour after midnight, the first time we had slept in the same bed for several days, even though we had been in each other’s presence the entire time. Periods of non-stop work like this present every few months, the rest of the time he pulls 60-80 hour work weeks on a regular basis.
What does my life consist of? I sleep in as long as I want. I spend hours and hours each week writing posts for That Wife and Jenna Cole. My “job” consists of doing something I absolutely love, creating photographs. I’ve made no money so far, only spent it at a very rapid pace.
So yes, I may seem oppressed because all of the household responsibilities are on me. I do the cooking, the cleaning**, the laundry, take out the trash, vacuum (sparingly), the grocery shopping, and all other typical housewife duties. But my husband works himself into the ground to put food on the table, a roof over our heads, clothes on our bodies, fancy cameras in my closet, and all of the other things we need/want in life. If not being the one who has to work for “the man” means I have to make a pumpkin pie from scratch all on my own and then clean up the dishes afterward please sign me up!
I have 6 aunts that I grew up seeing on a regular basis (we all lived in the same state for much of my childhood so getting together for many different occasions throughout the year wasn’t very difficult). Though things are a bit different now, as most of my cousins are out of the house or old enough to care for themselves, when I was younger I believe all of them were primarily SAHMs***. My mother worked outside the home when my parents were first married because they were dirt poor, but through much of my childhood she did not. I believe it was the same for most of my cousins. Most of these women are married to farmers, men who work themselves tremendously hard from March-October. During the busiest times at harvest/planting I was lucky to see my dad for 30 minutes in a day, as he would be up around 5 am, eat breakfast before I left, eat lunch on the tractor, and come home to scarf down dinner before heading back out again to work late into the night. My paternal grandfather is over 75 years old and still puts in many hours every week driving back and forth between central Washington and northern Oregon to care for his ranch. My maternal grandfather is over 70 and still works all day every day running his dairy. In my family, the men work hard, and the women can see that. Though caring for children, digging through mountains of laundry, endless rounds of putting food on the table and cleaning the mess up again can be exhausting and frustrating, the women are still the ones who manage household affairs, almost exclusively. When it comes time for Christmas celebrations, Thanksgiving dinner, or family reunion potlucks, they do the planning, the cooking, and usually the cleanup.
If you were to show up and look at Thanksgiving or Christmas as an isolated experience, you might see what the women do and how the men act, and judge the entire thing as unfair and in need of change. But when you back away and see my uncle baling hay all day and all night to get it in before the rain comes, my grandpa herding cattle in the oppressive heat and the biting cold, my dad bouncing back and forth between running his business and managing the harvest of acres of land from July-October, my own husband pulling back-to-back all nighters because his manager paged him once again with a request that has to be fulfilled by an early morning meeting, I think it’s a little bit easier to understand why we women aren’t complaining about our lot****.
With these experiential examples noted I must add my religious beliefs to the mix as well. The LDS Church is very clear in its declarations concerning the roles of men and women in the home. The importance of having children is well understood by members and so when one marries the usual assumptions concerning parenthood revolved around “when” not “if”. In a letter written by the Church leadership the roles of mother and father are clearly outlined:
By divine design, fathers are to preside over their families in love and righteousness and are responsible to provide the necessities of life and protection for their families. Mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children. In these sacred responsibilities, fathers and mothers are obligated to help one another as equal partners.
Whether it is because of my own familial background or because of my religious belief system I watch each Thanksgiving go by with the women doing most of the work. And when I joined the world of adulthood I rolled up my sleeves and happily learned about the perfect mashed potatoes and what not to do when attempting to make one’s first batch of homemade rolls. I may grumble and slap a few pots on the counter with unnecessary force during the cleanup, but somewhere inside of me there will be the memory of 5-month pregnant Jenna, the night after the night after Thanksgiving 2009, stumbling to the bathroom for her 3 am visit to the porcelain throne to relieve her aching bladder. She’ll glance over and feel a pang of grief at the sight of her sleep-deprived husband on the couch for yet another night, scrambling to get his slides polished before the sun comes up and his boss comes a callin’. That Jenna, even with her swollen ankles and bursting bladder, with a body working so hard to grow their baby, knows that a few dishes and yet another load of laundry are the least she can do to try find the balance necessary to make a marriage work.
*It should be noted that TH has been walking with a cane for several days now, and was relying on it heavily around Thanksgiving so it’s possible I could have sent him out for stuff if he had been well, although I don’t think that would have been the case.
**TH was the last one to clean our bathroom though and he did a superb job. I love him.
***Stay At Home Moms
****I admit we do complain. My mom complained. I complain. It’s still hard not to feel under-appreciated, or get caught up in the “my role in this relationship is just as hard as yours game”. But I’m not fighting to switch places with him or lessen my workload by adding more to his (at the moment, things will change when the baby comes and he has been sufficiently warned). Our workloads are currently not even close to being balanced in their current state.
December 2nd, 2009 on 4:34 am
Thanks for the post, Jenna, and the lovely things you wrote about me
Not sure if you saw it but I actually wrote recently about how the arrival of our baby, my maternity leave, and our renovating our new home has affected the division of labour (domestic and otherwise) in our marriage, so this is a subject that has been on my mind lately.
Here’s the link: http://projectsubrosa.blogspot.com/2009/10/my-perspective-on-reclaiming-wife.html
Before Talia came along Nate and I both worked full-time so we tried to split the domestic chores equally too. Of course things have changed now. (One in full-time employment and one on maternity leave and yet we’re both working harder than ever!)
I was aware that you two took what I would call quite a traditional roles in the home. I think the reason I was surprised by your smiley yesterday was because I was under the impression from your blog and twitter that you were also working incredibly long hours in order to get your business up and running. In my book it makes no difference who makes the most money if you’re both working as hard as each other to a common goal. (I will likely not earn as much as Nate for a long time, but I’ll probably work just as hard and have an equal say in financial decisions.)
I guess the piece of the puzzle I was missing was just how hard TH has to work at his job, and how much more flexible an approach you have taken to your work since becoming pregnant.
One last thing - you mentioned here how things are done in your family. I mentioned that in my post too (or at least how my mum modelled the mother-father dynamic for me in relation to housework). It’s interesting how you see it as a model to follow, what is normal for you, and I see it as a pattern to break. It made me think about how little I have rebelled against my mother… and in this thing where I’m determined to do it differently to her, it’s still not rebellion because she thinks it’s better my way!
Oh yeah, and elevenses… you’re on
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Jenna Reply:
December 3rd, 2009 at 2:56 am
I think the difference between Jenna Cole and TH’s job is that I’m pursuing my dream, doing something I *LOVE*. TH is choosing to pursue this career path now so he can pursue his dream later. (Largely because his dreams require money and he’s willing to suffer for X number of years to be able to do the things he really wants to do). Maybe someday I will be running a full-time profitable business and we will need to reevaluate the way things work. I don’t doubt he would not only be willing to do that, but also hopes it will happen one day. He would love to take on more at home because I am able to pull more of the weight financially. He brings it up every other day at least.
And I need to give TH credit. There are times when I’m stressed to the max with Jenna Cole, going crazy, snippy, and constantly feeling short on time. Those are instances when TH tells me not to worry about dinner, puts the laundry away, cleans the kitchen, etc. I believe our roles are fluid (the way they should/need to be) and though we don’t always give 100%, sometimes he’s giving 110% and I’m giving 80% and sometimes that’s reversed.
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December 2nd, 2009 on 5:02 am
I really like this post. I think the domesticated woman is making a come-back and I love it! Even though I have a medical degree and I grew up in a family of professionals, I really felt most satisfied as a woman in the 4 months I took off to be a stay-at-home wife. There is something very fitting and satisfying about our division of labor and roles. While of course, I’m able to pursue whatever career I want, I love the fact that whenever I have kids, Jon and I both feel comfortable about me staying home and he being the breadwinner in the family. I love that even though I’ve started working again, I feel the urge to put something I made on the table for dinner that I’ve made for my man. I also love that it’s already a fact, that he will take out the trash, change my oil, and kill any bugs in the apt. Of course, nothing is absolutely gray, and we always help each other out in our different roles when it’s necessary.
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Jenna Reply:
December 3rd, 2009 at 2:57 am
I really, really admire your work ethic and you marriage (from what you’ve shared through your blog). You’re both so dedicated and ambitious and I admire you for pursuing your educational goals even though you may not plan on working full time through your life. You’re such a good example to me!
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December 2nd, 2009 on 5:33 am
Being a housewife is something I’m really struggling with, not because I don’t want to take care of my husband-I do! And I believe that when we become parents, I will probably be a SAHM, but right now I feel so lazy. Since we moved to Utah, I haven’t been able to find a job, and we really can’t afford to have only one income yet. We’ve not even been married six months, so I feel guilty that no matter how much housework I do, I’m not pulling my own weight. I’m not saying it was the same or is for you and TH, but I wondered if you had similar struggles at first, before you were “domesticated.”
I love your blog so much, btw. Your posts on LDS life and the relationship you have with TH really inspire me.
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December 2nd, 2009 on 7:12 am
Great post, Jenna!
J and I have both taken on very traditional roles in our household. I cook (sometimes with his help), do the dishes, clean the house and do the laundry. He takes out the trash. We grocery shop together. While both working full time.
Do I complain about this? Sometimes, yes. Do I feel under appreciated? Sometimes, yes. But when I’m feeling that way I say something to J and he is always quick to remind me how much he appreciates what I do around here. And really, I wouldn’t have it any other way. It’s the way my mother, and her mother, and her mother were raised, and it’s incredibly fufilling to take on the role of a traditional wife. While still working outside the home (which I plan to do even after we have children- I love my job!).
It’s refreshing to hear women feeling good about a traditional role in the home! I love it!
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December 2nd, 2009 on 7:22 am
Jenna, I’m really impressed with the clarity and poise with which this post was written. I struggle constantly to reign in my complaining about being saddled with housework, our life scheduling, financial planning, etc. I mostly feel this guilt because I complain WAY too often as Mr. W&B’s job is never in my face at home, and he NEVER complains about how hard her works, the pressure he is under and breakneck speed at which is he is working to better our family. This post was enlightening and a great reminder that while our jobs may not be the most fun (I actually tell my vacuum daily how much I hate it) they are necessary to support our husbands and our families.
With that said, do you, as a woman who owns a business, runs a house and is having a child, feel the desire to feel fulfilled in one two or all of your chosen careers? This is something I struggle with (which makes it hard to quit complaining about house stuff because this does not fulfill me) and I was wondering how or if you deal with that kind of pressure?
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Ellie Reply:
December 2nd, 2009 at 8:52 am
My parents found that neither of them felt fulfilled by doing housework, and both of them loved working to provide for us. So they both got full time jobs that they loved, and they hired a cleaning lady. Some people take issue with that, as it could be seen as “lazy” and avoiding drudgery, but I do not. I think it was a very reasonable life choice for both of them to work harder at their jobs, that they found fulfilling, to give a job they didn’t find fulfilling to somebody else. I know that if that had not been the division of labor in our house, my mother would have grown resentful over time, because she would not have given up her full time job, and she would have worked all day, and then come home and spent all night cleaning. And I genuinely believe that life is too short to do something you don’t find fulfilling. There are many ways to skin a cat and have a happy home life, and I think that often SAHMs and “domesticated” women forget that no, somebody doesn’t have to do all the cleaning or the cooking or the housework. If you want to and you find it fulfilling, then yes, you should do that. But even if you are working just to cover the cost of hiring somebody to do your laundry or your cooking or your cleaning, I think it’s worth it to not feel resentful.
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Lauren Reply:
December 2nd, 2009 at 8:58 am
Great insight. I hope to find a fulfilling career AND a housekeeper by 2010
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Jenna Reply:
December 3rd, 2009 at 3:25 am
This lack of fulfillment that many women talk about is something I haven’t yet felt, and I’m not sure I will. Blogging fills a huge place in my life, maybe even takes up too much. Jenna Cole adds more, and baby (and future babies) will only add to that. You’re right, for me it’s more about the pressure of handling everything. I frequently hear women with new babies talk about how they miss the adult interaction, but I have little to no interaction with adults/humans except virtually now. I don’t have a close friend here in Dallas, I spend most of my days at the computer, and I’m pretty happy with how things are. I don’t know if the addition of a baby will change that much?
So, in short, I’m hoping this blog will help me be fill the void and deal with the pressure. We’ll see.
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December 2nd, 2009 on 7:37 am
I think it’s interesting as a relationship progresses how it seems that habits on who does what set themselves up pretty much naturally.
I’m far from considering myself to be a good housewife. I’m a messy cook and my husband is often cleaning up behind me while I’m still cooking because he is a bit of a clean freak.
We both have full time jobs, however he tends to have longer hours since his job has more responsabilities than mine (while far from being as demanding as TH’s). I usually live the house first but I’m also back home first. So I take care of the groceries since I have the time for it. Plus I’m the one making the menus for the week and it alowes me to control that he doesn’t buy too much junk
I make dinner most of the times. ALthough if I finish late or I don’t feel like cooking or doing groceries that day he is always up to make us something simple: a nachos salad, burgers, and sometimes more fancy like his sweet potatoes-lentil soup. I do the dishes most of the time, but again there are times when he takes over (mainly on his days off).
We share cleaning up the house but he is the one doing the laundry 99% of the time. He’s probably the only guy I know who separates whites and colors.
I think depending on the life you live, you find your own balance. Growing up both my parents cooked at home, both worked full time jobs and both did the dishes although my mom would be the one doing the laundry.
In my grandparents household, my grandmother always cooked and my grandfather always did the dishes.
I do believe that most woman enjoy cooking for the family. I mean you don’t mess with me in the kithchen, if you want to help you better be following my directions. I get mad at people who temper with my cooking. And I got really upset that time when my MIL decided to reorganize my kitchen (and I couldn’t tell her) and had to redo everything when she left. The kitchen is my domain.
To me the kitchen is the center of the house. Did you ever notice that no matter what, when you invite people over everyone gravitates in the kitchen?
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Jenna Reply:
December 3rd, 2009 at 3:26 am
Definitely! It’s one reason why I love our new kitchen so much, it has an island so when we have people over (which is like never, but still) it can be one big social room, and the women/cooks don’t get pushed into a corner.
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December 2nd, 2009 on 7:39 am
I am more “domesticated” than my husband for sure, but I think it has a lot to do with control! Sometimes he says he wants to help so I come up with super simple things for him to do (like putting the marshmallows on top of the sweet potatoes) because I want to do the crucial stuff myself. Now that I write that I feel kinda bad
But when someone else is in our tiny kitchen it just gets on my nerves! He usually does the dishes though.
PS I work full time and my husband is unemployed at the moment!
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December 2nd, 2009 on 7:46 am
Oh and I forgot to add that I’m pretty sure that in my husband’s family all the women both cooked and did the dishes.
Oh and when it comes to complaining. I think that even though it’s household work we all need our work to be recognized.
I work several hours in the kitchen last night while the guys were watching TV and I just wish they would have been like “Hey thank you so much for working so hard in the kitchen.”
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December 2nd, 2009 on 7:52 am
I am definitely more domesticated now that we’re married. I do find that I cook and clean around the house, but my husband does yard work and fixes things. Sometimes, he’ll cook, offer to do dishes and help out too. So, while it seems that the load is a lot on me, I have to step back and realize that he is doing just as much.
For Thanksgiving, we had the same thing…women in the kitchen talking and doing dishes, while the guys were watching football and asking when dessert was. I didn’t mind…it was good to talk to Mom and it made the cleaning task much less daunting.
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December 2nd, 2009 on 8:18 am
Just when I was missing Uncle B… Bless you both!
1. “In these SACRED responsibilities, fathers and mothers are obligated to help one another as EQUAL PARTNERS.”
2. I would never EVER trade places with Forrest and he would never trade places with me (although 6 months ago he was begging to stay home. He’s much happier in his career change). Even days when both kids are sick and I’m sick and all the housework is piling up around me - I don’t want to go back to my old job. I really like the job I have.
3. I ask for a lot of help. Maybe more than some? When Forrest has a break he is spending it with me helping with the mess. He really works hard to get “face time” with the kids. He doesn’t have much time away from school (more than he did while he was working, though), but when he does he knows I’m happy with him helping, and that makes him happy to be with me even if we’re doing dishes. And I love when he will just play with the kids for a long time while I clean up.
4. I used to complain A LOT! I was always saying how it was so unfair that I had to do all the physical labor and the Forrest got to talk to adults during the day and get out of the house without a diaper bag and get feedback on the job he was doing (and work his butt off!). Then I changed - I got out of the house and starting socializing more. I started playing more. And I started telling myself I’m doing a great job. Now I really believe I have the better job (for me, of course). I spend 80% of my day playing (with kids, friends, touring the city, blogging, reading, making art) and 20% working on house stuff. Not bad. And I’m grateful that if Forrest comes home to a disaster of an apartment, he never complains. He says “I’m glad and the kids had so much fun today.” I think we SAHMs can pick the way we see our job. Attitude is so important.
I’m rambling. Love this post! And love the talk about your dads and grandpas. People like to hit businessmen, doctors, and lawyers (and any other professional) with “you work too much.” They’re working for a reason just like farmers.
I have a baby pulling at me. Time to go. Hope this made some sense
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TH Reply:
December 3rd, 2009 at 2:49 am
Ha ha! I tell Jenna all the time I’d *love* to trade places with her. Maybe Uncle B plays a greater part in that than I thought…
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Jenna Reply:
December 3rd, 2009 at 2:51 am
Were you working before I knew you Abbie? What were you doing?
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Jenna Reply:
December 3rd, 2009 at 3:29 am
You are one of the few who TRULY understand what I talk about when I say that TH more than pulls his weight without contributing to the housework, etc.
I’ll keep your experience in mind when the baby comes. You probably have seen that I’m not super social, I like my internet too much to pull myself away. It’s possible I”m going to go crazy one day and say “Abbie said get out of the house. Now go do it.”
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December 2nd, 2009 on 8:19 am
It is so interesting to me how everyone shifts the domestic work around. It’s something we don’t really think about much, its just stiff that has to be done so people do it, but it is kind of a big foundational thing for keeping life running and how we organize our lives and define ourselves.
I feel like I’m one of the few who has actually been less domesticated after marriage than I was before. Granted, this is probably mostly because my husband and I are both full time students with similar time constraints, so it just makes sense to share the load. It’s really nice. I barely ever do dishes or laundry - which I hate. He almost never cleans the bathrooms and I do most of the planning for travel or other big things. And coming home to dinner is so so nice. We still have a hard time finding the right balance, every now and again one of us feels taken advantage of or unappreciated, but its nice that our situation gives us a great deal of wiggle room.
Really, it seems like for a happy family it doesn’t really matter who does what - just that both people support each other, appreciate what the other person does, doesn’t feel taken advantage of, and isn’t unwilling to step outside of their accustomed role when necessary and renegotiate who does what from time to time (especially with big changes like a baby). Jenna, I’m really curious how you guys will make things work once the baby comes. It seems like babies are what really throw things out of whack. When the Mom is on child duty 24/7, plus all housework, its hard for that to balance with even incredibly demanding jobs.
Just a note on the family proclamation - I think that what you and your husband are doing is absolutely in harmony with the gospel. For that matter, I think what my husband and I are doing also is. Or that if your photography business became incredibly successful, your husband retired, and roles shifted, that would be too. It’s about supporting families and children, not deciding who does the dishes on Thanksgiving. Now Mormon culture, that may be a different story…
(sorry this is so long - it’s just so interesting! Thanks for writing this post Jenna, I look forward to everyone’s comments)
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December 2nd, 2009 on 8:26 am
I would argue that it is not necessarily the items that you do but the expectations that come from both partners that can be disconcerting. Each couple will find their balance with household tasks and work outside the home. If the husband expects his wife to clean all the time and stops thanking her or when the wife takes her husbands hard work outside the home (including long hours) for granted, that too can upset the balance. Just remember to love and show that love with gratitude for all the things that you both do for yourselves and for your growing family. Appreciating not expectation can really make that classic division of roles seem more like a choice and less like a noose around your neck.
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December 2nd, 2009 on 8:26 am
Great post. I definitely feel like I am a ‘domesticated’ woman. However, I also work a full time job outside the home (and so does he), so that translates to a lot of extra work around the house for me after hours. Not that he doesn’t help, but I definitely take on the primary role of, for example, cooking. It’s a lot of extra stress, but I enjoy doing it too. After a day of ‘working for the man’, I like to do ‘domestic’ things that make me feel kind of ‘wifey’ (except for folding laundry. I really don’t like doing that for any reason).
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Sarah B Reply:
December 2nd, 2009 at 11:04 am
I used to hate folding the laundry too… but now I love it! I’ve made it part of my Sunday routine. I do all the laundry that day, and as it’s finished in the dryer I just dump it all on the bed. Then, at 9pm, I turn on the tv (yes, we’ve got one in the bedroom) and watch Desperate Housewives while I fold it. It’s “Me” time now, not just folding laundry and I love it!
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Erin Reply:
December 2nd, 2009 at 1:53 pm
I fold laundry to Desperate Housewives too! haha
BUT, I do it on Mon or Fri evenings and I watch the DVRed Desperate Housewives. I’ve realized that it takes me under 10 minutes to fold and put away 1 load, and 1 hour if I wait until 3 loads back up. The math doesn’t work out, but that’s what happens!
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December 2nd, 2009 on 8:39 am
GREAT post. I often find myself wondering how I would describe our division of roles and responsibilities without sounding like I am the classic housewife who cooks/cleans/takes care of the baby most of the day and people judging that. You wrote this perfectly! When it comes down to it, I am a traditional housewife and I wouldn’t trade it for anything. Of course, I don’t always DO my roles of cooking and cleaning, but I never expect Dave to do them either because he does so much to provide the food I cook and the house I *try* to clean. Anyway, I love being a wife and mom and I know that many “modern” women have a hard time understanding that, but I hope reading your post will provide a little light because it was great!!
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December 2nd, 2009 on 8:46 am
Yep, great post and very thorough. Since I’m the only one making money for my own living expenses, I still feel justified in doing the cooking and having C do the cleaning!
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December 2nd, 2009 on 8:57 am
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December 2nd, 2009 on 8:58 am
I just thought of something…did the boy children help you clean? Were there girl children? Did they? They’re obviously not working to earn their keep yet
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Rae Reply:
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:57 am
Great question!
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HamiHarri Reply:
December 2nd, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Awesome question!
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Ellie Reply:
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:22 pm
This is a great question - I know the dynamic on my mom’s side of the family was that kids and non-cooks helped setup/clean, since they clearly did not contribute to the dinner itself (either financially or laborwise.) It was also the dynamic in my FI’s family and I think it’s part of why he’s so helpful
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Jenna Reply:
December 3rd, 2009 at 3:37 am
Ahh, interesting note. There were 3 young boys (my cousin’s kids), one teenager, and one guy in his early 20′s. I didn’t see them helping, but I can say from my own experience that tasks assigned to children in my family at the holidays were assigned equally to boys and girls. There was no “girls come in and dry the dishes, boys you get to go be crazy and rambunctious!” If/when we were asked to help gender didn’t matter.
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December 2nd, 2009 on 9:01 am
Interesting post! While the husband and I both work full time jobs with around equal hours, I still do the majority of the cleaning and a larger portion of the cooking. (Okay well the few times a week we’re both home after work, I cook!) It’s hard not to feel resentful, though I try to remind myself that I do it for myself as much as I do it for him. I like having a clean house and I feel accomplished when I’ve cooked a good meal for the both of us. I try to balance it out in my head that he does the fixing when things get broken, and I’m really not much help in that department. Anyway, though I can’t imagine not working myself, I would expect if I was not working, I would gladly do all the cooking and cleaning to balance out household responsibility.
Thanks for writing this, I love reading your blog
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December 2nd, 2009 on 9:04 am
Thanks for another great post, Jenna
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December 2nd, 2009 on 9:08 am
I’m glad you wrote this, because I saw that and I just kinda brushed it off and assumed that since that does seem to be your role in your family, you were okay with that. But I won’t lie - I did flare up and say to myself, “oh, that will never fly at our Thanksgiving.”
Thanksgiving in my family is a very equal-division-of-labor holiday. My FI cooks, and loves to cook, and is a neat freak, so he’s indespensible in the kitchen. But on Thanksgiving, the chef I spend the most time with is my father. My father, who wakes up early on Thanksgiving day to prep the turkey. Who makes turkey stock from scratch and then puts together the gravy. Who also tries to make at least 4 vegetables. My mother cleans the house, since it’s her laptops and camera gear that are all over the living room table. Eventually we head over to my grandmother’s, where all hands are on deck. My uncle is making the salad, my cousins are setting the table, and somebody is doing dishes as they cook because there isn’t enough room. After dinner, my cousins and I retire to the kitchen to do the dishes, although some of the adults follow. The older adults sit around the table and talk. My grandmother tries to help but she gets ushered out because she cooked.
The next day, we repeat the cycle for second Thanksgiving, and usually the people who did not bring food to Thanksgiving are in charge of clean-up. My BIL did dishes while we cooked to make more room for us to use the sink. (Although this year, our dishwasher flooded and so after everyone left, my sister and BIL got it working, and then did 4 loads of dishes.)
I love this feeling of gender-equality that comes over us at the Thanksgiving holiday with everybody pitching in.
During the year, yes, I cook and do more housework, because I’m a student and am at home more. Since we both intend to have full time jobs once I graduate, we will then even up the division of labor, and hire out what we can’t handle, especially if we have kids. I would rather have both of us work reasonable hours and make less money each than have him work himself to the bone while I take care of the house. (Come to think of it, I would actually rather work myself to the bone and have him take care of the house. I really hate cleaning.) I think it is in our (my relationship only) best interest to have our roles be as equal as possible, because otherwise I’m grouchy and complainy.
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Kelli Nicole Reply:
December 2nd, 2009 at 11:03 am
My family does things very similarly. I usually spend Thanksgiving with a certain sister’s family, and her husband does 90% of the cooking and he LOVES it! He does 90% of the cooking always, though. He’s owned some restaurants so it’s his thing. Now that their oldest boy is nearly 9 he helps out a lot too and has his own little chef hat and jacket
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Cécy Reply:
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:27 pm
My husband’s best friend was always the one cooking at home, and probably cleaning too. His ex-wife didn’t cook at all. Now it’s not the best example since they are divorced, but he didn’t cook out of obligation but out of choice and pleasure.
As said above, more than the task themselves it’s how things balance out in the couple.
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Jenna Reply:
December 3rd, 2009 at 3:44 am
I like this idea, finding ways to encourage boys to get excited about time in the kitchen. It’s funny that we think of cooking as “girly” when the majority of professional chefs are actually men.
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December 2nd, 2009 on 9:23 am
What a great post! I think the topic of familial roles is so fascinating. It’s also interesting to me how controversial it can be. (I don’t quite understand the big fuss… My humble opinion is that every family should try to find their own balance, whatever it is.)
Just as you and TH do, my husband and I try to find a balance. Right now, we are both working, so we tend to balance the household stuff as well. (He’s a fantastic cook - and great at doing laundry. Plus, I HATE cleaning toilets, but he does it without complaint.) However, I work around 60 hours per week while he works about 80 hours per week - so sometimes I end up doing more of the household stuff.
I have always tried to think of it not in terms of “gender roles,” but in terms of balance. We are equal partners in this marriage. Sometimes he spends more time at work and I pick up the slack at home, and vice versa.
Thank you for being so open about this - and honest about your feelings. (I think it’s totally natural to feel resentful sometimes - I feel that way occasionally.) It’s a really thought-provoking topic.
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B Reply:
December 3rd, 2009 at 7:57 am
We are equal partners in this marriage. Sometimes he spends more time at work and I pick up the slack at home, and vice versa.
We are just like that, too. My husband is unemployed and I work full time+school, so he picks up ALL the slack at home. He’d work if he could get a job (and we’d hire a housekeeper!) but we’re doing what we can with what’s been given to us. I think it humbles him (even though he grumbles) about doing household duties. I try to be sure I am extra thankful for the work he does around the house. It IS work, even if it’s not at a desk all day in a cubicle or in the field. I have to say, I am resentful he gets to sleep in and do work while listening to the tv! =]
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December 2nd, 2009 on 9:37 am
I enjoyed this post - one thing we have had to think about lately is what happens when everything changes in the roles. My husband used to work in banking and regularly got home after midnight. I worked a more normal schedule and did everything around the house too, although our incomes weren’t different, our free time definitely was. But then he got laid off 6 months ago and now I am the only breadwinner but still do most of the work around the house, cooking, etc. It seems like there have been a lot of articles lately about women facing this - more men have gotten laid off so more women are paying the bills plus doing all the housework! It has been a struggle in our marriage to try to make it all feel fair. Because it’s also true as someone else posted that I do some of it for myself - I like things a certain level of clean, I’m a much better cook, etc, and when we get to baby time I would DEFINITELY want to be the one staying home if we could afford to have one person not work. Just a really interesting and challenging situation all around when traditional roles aren’t possible.
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December 2nd, 2009 on 9:55 am
I think that you said this perfectly… Thank you Jenna!
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December 2nd, 2009 on 9:56 am
One thing reading through the posts that struck me is that people have all found a balance that works- I’ll be honest, this is something that we struggle with. When we got married I surprised myself by leaping into a much more traditional role than I would have expected- part of it was because my mother is a model housewife, and part of it was because I made the transition to student at the same time. While my husband respects my academic goals as much as his own career goals, I simply had more time, as some commenters above mentioned. I also care more about the appearance of the house. Nevertheless, the resentment early in our marriage grew high- even though my husband does work the same kind of hours that TH does. I felt like we lost some of the equalness that we’d had when we were dating and that I was being taken for granted. Eventually it came to a head, and my husband told me something critical- i don’t expect you to do any of this for me, I did not marry a maid and I will do anything to not have you feel that you need to put your work on hold in a way that I don’t. Honestly, since I’ve realized how much of the pressure was coming from me, I have been feeling far more willing to cook, clean etc, and if I have a night where it doesn’t get done, where we order a pizza or scrounge around for something ourselves, I don’t beat myself up or hand wring or apologize. I don’t know if this makes sense but this division of labor thing was a struggle for me and i just wanted to put it out there in case it is for others,
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Cécy Reply:
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:33 pm
We’ve argued so many times about this. And I think you hit something with this: it’s not just them, it’s us. How we feel and the level of expectation we set on ourselves is hard to reach sometimes.
That’s when communication helps, and for him to know to step in once in a while so you get a vacation from your home job too.
I feel a little bit bad sometimes when my husband cooks because I just don’t feel like it. But then I remind myself that I do it most of the time and that I should make the best of it.
We’ll still argue about if from time to time when I feel I need a thank you though
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December 2nd, 2009 on 10:06 am
I agree with a lot of what you said Jenna. So much of a woman’s ‘domestic-fication’ is built into how we were created by God (Proverbs 31:10-31).
My mom was a SAHM till I was 16. It was a wonderful gift that I want to give to my children someday! And like you, growing up, at every family gathering, the children cleared the tables, the women washed up, and the men had coffee.
) In fact this Thanksgiving, my mom washed dishes, I dried, and my aunt put everything away. I don’t view it as housework. I see it as an opportunity to fellowship with my female relatives and talk about girl stuff!
Currently my husband and I both work outside the home. I’d say I handle most of the household responsibilities because 1) I want to and 2) my husband’s schedule is ever changing and doesn’t allow him much of an opportunity to help. I pray that I’ll be able to stay at home with my children (the logistics are still very unclear). Call me crazy but I think being a domestic diva is a dream job!!
Miss Pudding wrote a post regarding an article in Time Magazine that addresses the whole women-in-the-workplace notion. The statistics about a woman’s happiness and children raised with a stay at home parent were really interesting.
http://www.weddingbee.com/2009/11/30/the-struggle-of-the-modern-woman/
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Cristin Reply:
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:30 am
Thanks for sharing this Time article, Kristin. It was really interesting to go through and I am looking forward to talking about it with my husband too!
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December 2nd, 2009 on 10:25 am
There are days as a mom of two now that I just want to scream and run of the house -thankfully those days aren’t all the time - but even on the hardest days I still wouldn’t trade places with my husband. Most mothers of young children are a bit of a slave to the children’s schedules and needs, but it still way beats being a slave to a boss, work schedule, dress codes, commuting, etc.
I can largely choose what I want to do in the order I want to do it and make happen what I want to make happen in a day. I get to see these little and big changes my boys experience WAY more than husband gets to see them…I feel bad for my husband in that way! When these children grow up, he’ll have a number of memories of them, but I’ll have a truckload thanks to his hardwork and sense of responsibility towards us to go to work everyday. It’s hard to remember all this on the hard days, but it’s worth doing a little extra work around the house myself to support my husband as we works to support us.
Thanks for the reminder!
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December 2nd, 2009 on 10:44 am
What a great post today Jenna! I think you did such a great job explaining this. And it’s funny….I, like cate am very different than you….yet I find that there are times where we are very similiar. I love how you said all of this and I totally agree.
I DREAM of being able to be a stay-at-home-mom in a few years and I always tell my hubby that I fully intend to take on much more of the housework, cooking, etc…when that time comes. I also feel that if one of you is working outside the house, then the one who is staying home should take care of the house. I would be considered a typical liberal progressive Seattle girl….yet I have always thought that when it’s my time to stay home….it will be my “job” to take care of the house while my hubby is working to provide for us. On the surface that may seem so old fashion…but you justified my feelings and explained them so perfectly in this post.
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December 2nd, 2009 on 10:55 am
Very nice expression of your current position. I think that it is very good for you to take charge of all that is domestic since it is your job while your husband is in charge of the financial (and congrats on the score increase, though I might suggest sleep if he’s trying it again!
). My main problem comes from the situations where the women do all of the work even though they also work outside the home. It also concerns me when women simply assume that they take care of the domestic work “because he works longer hours”. That completely overlooks the choice that they are both making in terms of career. If you’re working fewer hours because you think that his career matters more and you’ll be staying at home in a few years, be honest with yourself! Things don’t just happen.
Marriage did not domesticate me because I was already about as domestic as I could get.:-) I struggle to find the balance between taking care of everything for my husband when I have time (as I have this past unemployed month) and sharing my domestic knowledge with him so that he is not dependent on me for most of the cooking etc. It is not cool to treat men as if they were children when it comes to household tasks!
Anyway, I commend you for your honest approach to your situation. I hope that we can all eventually find a way to work out the work so that we won’t feel the need to complain. Because what’s the point of having a division of labor if you still feel that it is something to complain about?
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Erin Reply:
December 2nd, 2009 at 11:48 am
I completely agree with you about “treating men as children.” My husband gets very upset that women on TV, in our lives, etc. think it is funny to say things or treat men like children - and it bothers him that men buy into that to get out of doing things.
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Sophia Reply:
December 2nd, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Ah, this is the number one reason I have never been interested in family sitcoms- the wife is always skinny and pretty and perfect, but also uptight and whiny and a little b!tchy, and the husband is this big bumbling buffoon who knows nothing about the home, the family, or how to do anything, haha, isn’t that FUNNY?? Um, no, no it’s not… it’s actually pretty gross
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Erin Reply:
December 2nd, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Exactly!! Good to see you again Sophia
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Sophia Reply:
December 2nd, 2009 at 8:28 pm
You too Erin! I’ve been knee deep in researching/writing my thesis, plus I’ve spent the last two months traveling from Dallas to Santa Fe to Colorado to SLC for a week, down to Las Vegas and then living in LA for a month before spending a week in Seattle and then heading back down for 10 days in San Francisco… and then driving back to Texas just in time for Thanksgiving! I’ve been researching/reading the whole time and I’m working overtime to stitch it all together and be done- then I’ll have more time for fun writing like blog commenting
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December 2nd, 2009 on 10:56 am
I started to write a comment, but then it was so insanely long I made it into a post!
http://www.usmeetsuk.com/2009/12/thanksgiving-gender-roles/
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Erin Reply:
December 2nd, 2009 at 11:46 am
I should have done the same thing - my comments here always get so long!
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December 2nd, 2009 on 11:10 am
Oh my! Everyone has so much to say! Haha. I like it. Great post Jenna!
I, personally, agree with you and the situation. I kind of think that this world has gotten it too much into their heads that everything must be exactly equal in regards to the roles of men and women. Honestly, I don’t know that this world is ready yet for the perfect world. Haha. But seriously, the efforts that men put in during work has become a little under-appreciated. I’m not saying that’s exactly what people are feeling here, but I think everyone feels under-appreciated. Some people more often than not. My husband works all day long while I get to stay at home and make sure things stay fluid. That’s my job. And I like it. Ty hasn’t had to pull any all-nighters yet, but I know he still works very hard. He is the one that has to make sure he will be earning enough to support us both. He has to make sure that the both of us and our future children will be provided for. Yeah, no pressure! (I’m not working and I don’t plan to. I feel that I contribute quite a bit by cleaning the house, making meals, doing laundry, doing dishes, grocery shopping [Ty enjoys that he doesn't have to accompany me on these trips.
]. ) When it comes to any of the housework and I need him to contribute, all I have to do is ask. I can’t exactly help him with his work, but I know that he needs time to himself and that I can give him. As long as each person knows that they are there for each other as a support and are appreciated I think that is what makes it balance out.
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December 2nd, 2009 on 11:13 am
What a great post! I’m in complete agreement! If someone had TOLD me how much I was going to enjoy being a “domestic” then I wouldn’t have WASTED thousands of dollars in student loans trying (and failing) to get my graduate degree! Now I have to work at my job just to pay that off. Live and learn I suppose…
I think it’s natural for *most* women to take easily to home-making. We are the “nurturers” after all!
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December 2nd, 2009 on 11:27 am
Husband does a lot of the domestic work right now because he’s home all day. And I’m working. I used to like it, but lately I hate it. I feel like the roles are reversed and I just want to have a baby and be a homemaker with jobs on the side.
I think women can totally be career women and be successful, I just understand the nurturing!
Oh, and I do cook. That’s my sole contribution. That and putting the toilet paper on the roll.
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Jenna Reply:
December 3rd, 2009 at 3:46 am
Is your husband self-employed? Or has a job where he works from home? Or is he unemployed?
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Natalie Reply:
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:00 am
He is in law school. So he’s working hard - just not making much cash, so that’s why I work.
He has a lot more spare time too — different church calling, etc.
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December 2nd, 2009 on 11:35 am
I loved this post.
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December 2nd, 2009 on 11:35 am
Well written post. While my life is very different, i.e.) Sean does the cooking, I do the cleaning (minus the kitchen, that’s his area) and we go to the market together…but the point that you got across is your post is that you have a plan for your family and it works for you. I think everyone has to have a family plan. I think you have been pretty clear about what your family plan was for you and TH and that’s why I didn’t really think much about the women in the kitchen…but it did catch my attention but only for a brief second.
Maybe one day I will be semi-domestic….I am sure Sean would like that.
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December 2nd, 2009 on 11:39 am
I think what makes your situation work is that your decisions have been conscious and deliberate. Each couple/family has different backgrounds/situations/expectations, but I think what leads to unhappiness, regardless of how the labor is divided, is a feeling of being stuck (how did I get here?) and a lack of gratitude.
Before we moved in together, my husband wanted to “discuss chores.” He told me that he didn’t mind dusting and dishes, but was scared of laundry (and “ruining something”) and didn’t like bathrooms. I told him I didn’t like dishes and enjoyed vacuuming. He also said that he’d like our spare time together to be spent enjoying each others company and not doing chores and thus wanted to have someone help us clean. (We can only afford to have someone come every 4-6 weeks, so we do a lot of maintenance cleaning, but it really helps to have someone deep clean it for us.) Finally, he asked that we don’t “ask” each other to do chores because he didn’t want to “create a dynamic of nagging and resentment.” (I should note that this entire conversation shocked me - I had NO idea he’d spent so much time thinking about chores!) So far this is all working well.
But what makes our arrangement work best for us are the words “Thank you.” We didn’t realize we did this until my brother lived with us for 4 months followed by my sister for 2. At one point my sister burst out laughing and said “[our] brother was right - you two say “Thank you” a million times a day!”. Husband has made the bed every day for 6+ years, and I have thanked him for it every single day. And every day he thanks me for organizing/grocery shopping/cooking.
Every family is different - I’m glad that Jenna and TH have figured out what works best for them and makes them happy.
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Vee Reply:
December 2nd, 2009 at 11:50 am
This is much how we worked it out, too. We make deals, like “I’ll do X chore that you hate if I never have to do X chore that I hate.” And we, too, always always ALWAYS say thank you. If he has the coffee on when I come down in the morning- THANK YOU. And vice versa. Active appreciation from the person that you love makes *almost* anything worth doing.
Because we both work full-time jobs and the energy and time expended on them is equal, we have to find ways to divvy up the housework so that it’s also equal. As long as there is a “fair division of labor,” I don’t think it HAS to have anything to do with gender (although I imagine that once we have a child, he would have an awfully hard time breastfeeding).
Jenna, this was a great post. I love reading about how different families make decisions about roles like this.
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Jenna Reply:
December 3rd, 2009 at 3:48 am
I have to be really careful about nagging. I just don’t understand why the shoes can’t go in the closet, instead of outside the door of the closet.
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Adele Reply:
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Haha! I can relate
Shoes and socks, I find them hiding everywhere
But on a more serious note, I decided early on, following my mom’s example, that if something bothers me, I will take care of that. No reason to nag - he could care less about it, he simply doesn’t even notice it! The funny thing is that into our 2nd year of living together, he became much more organized. When he has the energy and time to think about it, he will put his stuff away! And he takes pride in how clean and well put our house is, which is VERY important to me - at least I know I am not doing all this in vain
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Cécy Reply:
December 3rd, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Ah ah, that’s more me. I’m the messy one he is the neat freak and sometimes wonders why we have a laundry basket if I let things pile up in a corner of the room. Shame on me.
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December 2nd, 2009 on 11:52 am
I completely understand your position and approach Jenna! When my fiance and I both worked, I was still responsible for most of the home duties, but he would help with the laundry, shopping and some other light things. I used to get frustrated but I also knew that sparkling home and fresh food is a priority to ME, so it was not fair of me to demand the same attitude from him. Once I stopped working and fiance started fully supporting me, and, as an attorney, he too works VERY hard, I am absolutely fine with doing everything myself. This year has been extremely tough and good for us at the same time. The second I left my job, my fiance’s work exploded and we have had maybe 3 full weekends together since March. I have barely seen him, with me falling asleep at 3 am and him coming home at 5 and leaving back for work at 8, before I would wake up weeks on end. He is a strong person, but I am not a week woman either. I respect him tremendously and see my role in our current situation to provide him with a comfortable, supportive and nurturing home. I do not complain. I know that he is doing the same for me, just differently. I wouldn’t have been ok with staying home when we are not in our best financial shape had he not made sure that our needs are met. Thank you for you post! It makes me feel good that there are people who see things the same way
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Jenna Reply:
December 3rd, 2009 at 3:51 am
“see my role in our current situation to provide him with a comfortable, supportive and nurturing home. I do not complain.”
Lovely, I feel the exact same way.
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December 2nd, 2009 on 12:21 pm
i don’t have anything to say that hasn’t been said already. terrific post jenna! i used to get defensive about the distribution of labor in our house until i finally shut up and actually paid attention to all the things my husband does. i realized i couldn’t quantitatively compare what we each do. i think we both have been happier since i came to this conclusion.
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December 2nd, 2009 on 12:27 pm
Another beautifully written post!
We’ve fallen into the habit where the person who cooks dinner, doesn’t clean up…the other person does. Since I’m usually cooking, the hubby gets to clean up. When I cook, I usually clean as I go if I can where he leaves everything for me! Do I mind? Not at all!
In my extended family, it is always the women who are cooking and cleaning up. I never thought about it until I read this. No complaints were ever heard and I now realize that taking care of the house has been instilled in me since I was little and I am more than ok with that!
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December 2nd, 2009 on 12:33 pm
Sounds like your husband and mine have similar work schedules. And I can definitely relate to your impulse to take care of the home because of all the long hours he puts in.
I don’t work evenings and weekends like my husband but I do have a full-time job (which is pretty close to his, compensation-wise). Even despite that, I still take the lion’s share of responsibilities when it comes to cooking and cleaning simply because I like it that way. I’m not LDS but my somewhat traditional Polish upbringing makes me feel very fulfilled when I assume those duties.
I think it’s all about doing what is right for both of you. My husband was brought up in a very equal-opportunity family so he has no problem doing the cooking and cleaning - in fact, he enjoys it (well, maybe just the cooking part). But doing it for him and allowing him what little time he gets to relax feels like a lovely gift I can give him. He does so much for me in other ways.
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December 2nd, 2009 on 12:40 pm
It’s interesting to see past the smiley face into the background story, thanks!
Being married for just over one month, this subject has come up many times in our household. Because our separate professions demand the same hours from each of us, we have been trying to split up the home stuff equally. Some weeks this works and some weeks it doesn’t (I start feeling like I’m doing EVERYTHING), but it’s a flowing process that will revolve and change as our marriage grows and we figure out how to run a household where each person feels appreciated and not taken advantage of.
I love, love cooking, so I’m in charge of that. The cleaning of the kitchen he takes over. Trash is me and vacuuming is him. Laundry is both of us. Until we have a baby or one of our work situations changes, the equal split is doing it for us.
“he has been sufficiently warned” is the best thing I read all day.
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December 2nd, 2009 on 1:11 pm
I didn’t even pick up on the smiley after.
I grew up in a very non-traditional family (divorced parents, divorced grandparents). Living with my single mother, she worked hard for her money leaving us with a babysitter or to watch ourselves. This wasn’t something that she wanted, but had to do in order to make ends meet.
That was just to give you some background.
So, back to what I was saying, I’m a very liberal and non-traditional person. If my husband is hungry, he can make his own food just as easy as I can. He does his own laundry and I do my own laundry. If he feels like doing the dishes he will, or I will. We’re more of a team really and we agree on that.
BUT the one thing I always said that would happen in my own family is that I would be able to stay home with my kids during the day while my husband works (husband grew up in the same situation as I). We both feel that it is important for the children to be able to really spend time with a parent and have involvement in school and such activities. In return, I would still maintain the home so that he can spend more time with the family when he gets home.
I will still work on my business and maybe a day or two a week we might have the children in daycare so I can work a little from home — still in the air and depends on what happens.
Also, in my non-traditional family, the women always clean up the kitchen after Thanksgiving and the men watch football. Funny how that works out. My mom is a very independent (now re-married) woman but has no beef with it.
That turned out to be a longer comment then I expected, but now you know. haha.
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December 2nd, 2009 on 1:33 pm
I too thought to myself “oh the picture of the men in the living room/women washing dishes, how stereotypical of Thanksgiving!”. I appreciate the post, and the explanation, but here’s *my* opinion on it…
I *still* don’t think it’s fair to have the husband/father gone 60-80 hours a week, with his children and wife hardly seeing him, and the wife being home all the time taking care of the children and the home. To me, this is unbalanced. A man should not have to work himself into the ground to pay for a family he never sees, and a woman should not be the only parent a child has a close relationship with. This implies a few very negative things about fathers and their relationships to children- as long as they are hard working and providing money, they’ve done their job. It’s cool that they go days without seeing little ones that go to bed early, or perhaps miss out on all sorts of activities in the home, because they’re providing money. To me this diminishes the role of a father and is insulting. I’m not saying that’s what you said, but when I read over the post, the extreme imbalance of father time vs. mother time is quite clear, even in your own childhood. I’m in the middle of writing my thesis, so this might be all over the place, I hope it doesn’t come off wrong/mean/judgmental, it’s just my first reaction to it. I would much rather my children have equal time with both parents, or go without money and material things, than to have such an extreme situation of always having my mother and hardly ever seeing my father. I agree with you that right now, you have a great situation, and yes, you are getting the cushy end of the deal, and that’s great, but so much changes when you have kids, and I think I’d rather have both parents. Anyway, off to more writing! Again, sorry if this is scattered…
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Erin Reply:
December 2nd, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Sophia, your post reminded me of a conversation I had with my husband years ago. I made a general comment about mothers being magical and quite surprisingly he got offended, “Fathers can be magical too. If they make the time to read the stories and play with their children, they can be just as magical!” It is very in line with previous comments of yours about our culture’s rewarding “workaholics” when we should be striving for a better quality of life (work/life balance). He hopes that by working ridiculously hard now, he can have a better schedule when we have children. I’m trying to finish writing my dissertation (so I feel your pain!) so this is a good time for us both to be working a lot. It sounds like TH is working really hard to get into business school. My husband had A LOT more time and an awesome schedule while in B-school and you are no longer a bottom-rung analyst when you get out, so hopefully TH’s hours will be improving soon too.
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Jenna Reply:
December 3rd, 2009 at 4:11 am
More time together during b-school? Please get us there!
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Ellie Reply:
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Well put - I agree entirely. I grew up with two working parents and was so glad that I got to spend time with both my parents, instead of just one of them while the other one put food on the table. I think that just because there is balance in terms of family contributions doesn’t mean there is balance in life!
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Abbie Reply:
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:59 pm
In defense of Jenna, I grew up on a farm where my father also worked very hard, but at the same time I loved it because when I “went to work with him”, I was able to see him wwaaaayyyyyy more than any of my friends saw their fathers. I still have a great relationship with my dad. I’m not sure if she saw her dad that much, but we went along to feed the hogs, etc., and got to see him fairly often.
Furthermore, I have a sister in law who is married to someone who used to have a job like TH, where he was constantly gone, etc. I don’t know their plans, but five years later my bil was able to get an awesome job with way better hours and great pay. Many of my friends are choosing to do this as well…”putting in the time” before you have kids or before the kids grow very old.
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Erin Reply:
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:36 pm
I don’t think it is an attack on TH (or any of our spouses or us) as much as it is an attack on our culture. We don’t have mandatory paternal leave and 4 week vacations like many European countries. Not all cultures celebrate the 50+ hour work week the way ours does. I can’t throw stones, my husband comes home at 11:30pm on Fri and leaves again at 6am. Farmers, soldiers, lawyers, ad execs - there are A LOT of fathers spending a lot of time out of the home. And right now, most of my girl friends log 55+ weeks. In many ways I see my current role (acknowledging that nothing is stagnant) as making the home a calm, relaxing place for us to enjoy our limited time together. But I also realize I do this more for me. He comes home for the wkd when the place is a disaster (ladders, paint, dishes, laundry, piles!) and enjoys my company just as much as when the place is immaculate. But I enjoy his company more when the place is perfect as the mess acts as one giant tangible to-do list for me.
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Sophia Reply:
December 2nd, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Yes, thank you so much for clarifying that Erin- in no way do I feel it is a shortcoming of the people in these situations, but rather a shortcoming of our culture, and you hit the nail on the head with the mention that other first world, western, highly successful countries have less work hours, paid maternal AND paternal leave, etc. I also agree with other commenters that it is a good thing that Jenna and TH have spoken about their arrangement before and agreed to it together.
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Jenna Reply:
December 3rd, 2009 at 4:28 am
There is definitely this perception that Europe is the dreamland when it comes to work, but the stories I’ve heard haven’t been the case. In Poland both husband and wife work. ALWAYS. In fact, when I was in Poland the first time with my mom, we brought up this idea of “stay at home mom” and his sister was shocked. She had never heard of such a thing. There, all men and all women work, and grandparents raise the kids.
The European offices of TH’s company work their employees much harder than most of the American offices, and they are much more family friendly in the states (especially in Dallas, which is why he chose to work there). Same with the Brazil office. Which obviously proves it’s a problem with the profession, not the country
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phruphru Reply:
December 4th, 2009 at 11:50 am
This is really interesting. I wonder if there is a difference between Western European and post-Communist Eastern European cultures (in Communism, didn’t everyone have some kind of job outside the home?) because my family’s European experience is completely different. I was born in Ireland and growing up, almost all the moms were stay-at-home moms. My mother worked at an office in her 20s and then quit when she got pregnant. This was just what was done. None of my aunts, except for one who eventually moved to the city, worked outside the home. Then again, we lived in a very rural area where almost all the men were farmers and, like your mom, Jenna, the women were basically working at home to ensure that the farm ran smoothly on the domestic side of things.
When my family immigrated to the U.S., my mother had to work outside the home just because there would have been no way for us to afford living in an apartment in NYC on just my dad’s income.
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Jenna Reply:
December 3rd, 2009 at 4:23 am
We hope that will be our path as well! Business school will help him climb the ranks a lot faster, and he becomes much more valuable to his employers.
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Jenna Reply:
December 3rd, 2009 at 4:10 am
TH was attacked for his work schedule once on the blog so forgive me if I am a bit defensive about this topic of men working hard and neglecting their children.
We want lots of children. Many many many. We want to be able to provide those children with opportunities, help pay for their college educations, give the girls the kind of wedding I had, fly out to see them when they have babies, and so many other things. All of those can’t be done without money, and I’m not sure there is another path that provides us the opportunity to do those things. We’re saving like mad (I believe we live on $30,000/year currently) but the more kids we add the more money we need to make to sustain that savings rate. If TH wants to make more money every year he has to put in his time now to put himself in a position to climb later.
My dad worked hard, but he worked like a dog April-October and was able to achieve more balance the rest of the year. Now he has a successful business (currently expanding actually!), LOVES what he does with organic farming, and my mom is able to pursue her photography dreams. My mom was able to come down and help me when I had back surgery, has visited my sister, and she’ll come down to help with the baby after s/he’s born. My parents go on vacation. They’re coming to spend a few days with us this weekend on their way back up from a convention. I think their is something to be said about this freedom that my parents have to be a part of my life (and my sister’s life) after we’re grown. Working hard and likely sacrificing some face time when we were kids has provided them the opportunity to do things they couldn’t have otherwise. They’re fulfilled in their personal lives, and they are a part of our lives now, and I think that’s worth something as well.
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Sophia Reply:
December 3rd, 2009 at 5:00 pm
I don’t think you’re being defensive at all- the way people attacked TH before was very personal and vicious and had to have left a mark! I hope that my comment didn’t come across as saying “TH is going to neglect his children” because clearly each individual case is different and you and TH have talked about your unique plans. Rather, I’m just uncomfortable with the general idea that as long as mommy is home full time, and daddy is working full time, everything will be fine and each partner is fulfilling their responsibilities as a parent. I personally would rather have had both of my parents equally, than one so much more than the other, and it just makes me uncomfortable how motherhood is placed on this pedestal of “kids need to be with their mom or have her available at all times” whereas with dads it’s ok to see your kids on evenings and weekends- which is the case even with a normal 40 hour workweek. I just have never been comfortable with the idea that women are the best mothers by being there all the time, yet fathers can be the best fathers in the odd evening and weekend hours when they’re not working full time. It just seems strange to me, and I can’t help but interpret a “daddy slight” in it. It seem to inherently minimize the importance of a child’s relationship with her father. Perhaps if the conversation was more gender neutral such as “It benefits children when one parent is a stay at home, always available parent” then I would be more comfortable. The parents could decide who wants to work, who doesn’t, who would be best staying home with the kids, etc. But it’s the gender specificity that I think is a slight to the role of the father, and an exaggeration of the be all end all powers of mommyhood.
I was thinking a lot about an awesome book “The Way we Never Were” when reading the post and the comments. It’s about how most of our ideas and expectations of the “Angel of the Hearth” aka SAHM were born in the Industrial Revolution, when people moved to the cities and the men worked in factories instead of on the farm with their wives. For the first time on a broad scale, the men were getting paychecks for their contribution, and the women’s contribution was “unpaid”, although still a ton of labor. The women’s work was naturally still done in the home, as they had done on the farm. But even then if you were in the city with your industrial job your kids were doing backbreaking labor too, you weren’t cooing over their first steps, you were saying “cool, you can walk, grab a bucket and go milk that cow”. And in the upper classes things weren’t exactly nuclear peachy keen either-they even farmed out the tasks of breastfeeding to wet nurses, boarding schools, nannies, etc. In early America almost 50% of kids 13 years or younger had lost at least one parent, and marriages weren’t to love and cuddle with each other, but to run a farm and make as many babies to run it as possible. So I just think I’m inherently skeptical of the basic premise of the divine roles of men and women as outlined in the Proclamation, because that wasn’t the way things were for a very, very long time in America and in other countries, and I’m also inherently skeptical of the idea that women are the best and obvious choose for child care, and men are the best and obvious choice for economic endeavors. I feel as though the Proclamation on the Family was more of a Family Values/James Dobson/protect the “traditional” *1950′s on* family statement than something that I can agree as being inherent to both genders from creation. That long comment being said, the point is that those are my general, philosophical beliefs surrounding SAHM’s/SAHD’s/two full time working parents, and of course each individual family is going to have its own ways of working things out, just as you and TH have. My comment was macrolevel in response to your personal level post, my apologies in being clumsy
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phruphru Reply:
December 4th, 2009 at 11:51 am
This is fascinating, Sophia. I am going to pick up that book.
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phruphru Reply:
December 4th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
And I have more thoughts:
I grew up with a dad who worked his butt off, especially after we came to the United States and he was trying to get his construction/carpentry business going. He was out the door at 6 a.m., home at 6 p.m. for dinner (which my mother always had on the table for him) and then out again at 7 p.m. for a side job. Workaholic men are what I am used to and my husband’s incredible work ethic was one of the things that attracted me most to him.
My husband is now in grad school and will graduate with a mortgage-sized loan. To pay this off and to rise in his field, he is prepared to work 80 hours a week his first few years out of school. While I am dreading not seeing him (especially because we want to start a family by then), it is OK for me because this is what I am used to. In my world, this is what men do.
So I can relate to Jenna in that I feel my role — even though I also work full time, outside the house — is to keep things in order, domestically, because my husband does/will do so many other things to keep us afloat and prepare us for the future. I do almost all the cooking because I am home from work/school first but he sets the table and does the dishes (we don’t have a dishwasher). He does the other “gross” jobs, too: changing the kitty litter and taking out the garbage and the recycling. I do all of the cleaning/picking up, but this is really not my strong suit and I work full time and look forward to the day we can hire someone to do a good job in this arena.
So while I can relate to the workaholic husband/father and the mom-holding-down-the-fort-at-home bit, I don’t believe that our gender roles are spelled out in the bible. It just seems to work out that way in my case (minus the good cleaning skills).
One of the reasons why I am uncomfortable with the idea of gender roles being spelled out in the bible is because I feel that this sometimes gives people the wrong impression that a woman’s education is not as important as her husband’s. I know that this wasn’t part of your post, Jenna, but you have said in the past about how the LDS faith really emphasizes family and child rearing. This emphasis seems
to give credence to the idea that it’s OK to to push a woman’s education goals aside because she will have a higher calling when she becomes a mother. I know this obviously isn’t the case with every single person who believes in biblical marriage roles, but it certainly is easier to justify than if you don’t have that biblical background.
In my background, although neither of my parents went college (they grew up very poor), education was always emphasized as the most important thing.
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Sophia Reply:
December 4th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
phruphru you will love it! I gravitate towards interesting non-fiction reads that are packed full of interesting facts and stats and studies, but are still fun to read. Another great one is “A History of The Wife”. I couldn’t put either of those down and finished them in about two days each! I was turned on to both of them by my Sociology of Gender class, it was truly fascinating.
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December 2nd, 2009 on 1:58 pm
One of the best posts of yours ever, Jenna. An inside look at one family’s roles is always intriguing to me, no matter how they arrange it.
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December 2nd, 2009 on 2:13 pm
Beautiful post Jenna. Very realistic. In some strange way (although I dread the thought of ANY person work as much as TH), I hope my future marriage is somewhat similar.
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December 2nd, 2009 on 3:08 pm
Do your husband and my fiance have the same boss? I have no reason right now to be up at 3 am to see him working, but it’s often what happens. Plus, he feels he can’t ever lose his job (not that he’s in danger of it) because I’m a full-time student, working towards a degree in a field I’m passionate about, and too deep in loans to stop now. So when the boss calls at 10 pm, he works all night. I do most of the cooking and cleaning (although he likes to vacuum, go figure) but now I feel a little guilty that I don’t do more! I just really appreciated the explanation that what can look like a traditional gender split can happen for reasons that have nothing to do with tradition.
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Jenna Reply:
December 3rd, 2009 at 4:17 am
What does your fiance do Kate? Mine is an SAC at one of the consulting firm Mitt Romeny is associated with.
I won’t name it due to the possibility of Google searches but if your husband is a consultant as well you will know who it is off the top of your head.
I feel lucky as well to have a SO willing to work hard in part so I can pursue my dreams (starting a photo business costs a good amount of money as well!), and hopefully one day I can make enough money to give him a break so he can pursue some of his dreams as well.
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Kate Reply:
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:03 am
He is, actually, a consultant! For a pretty small firm, working at the headquarters of a large retailer.
That’s our goal too-when I get out of school in 2 1/2 years, hopefully he will have figured out what he really wants to do (NOT work 80 hours a week!) so that he can get whatever training (school or whatever else) he needs to do. I just knew what I wanted to do before he did, which is why I went first.
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December 2nd, 2009 on 3:10 pm
When we were on our own, we had specific chores that were his (trash to the curb, yard work, vacuuming) and then other things were on a “who can handle it” basis. I generally did grocery shopping, because I drove to work and could do it on my way home, while he rode a bicycle. Whoever did the cooking supposedly got out of doing the dishes, but usually we ended up cooking together and then putting off the dishes for days.
I found that I ended up doing a little more than him, and I justified it to myself by remembering that when he got done with his 8 hour job (on third shift), he would go work for another 4 hours at a second job. By the time he got home, he was completely beat, so the house became my “second job”. And really, I didn’t mind, because I’ve always tried to have the mindset that marriage is not about splitting things 50-50, but each of us putting 100% in.
Although, I have to say that I’m used to a much more egalitarian Thanksgiving than the one you pictured, mostly because I came from and then married into families in which the husbands were better cooks than the wives.
My husband always does the turkey (he is AMAZING… most moist, flavorful white meat I’ve ever had), and while the women did the rest of the food, my FIL and BIL did chip in with the dishes. And I got cranky with BIL when he whined about having to leave behind the computer to do the mashed potatoes! My personal philosophy is that you can’t just show up expecting to eat with no contribution whatsoever!
(not a judgment call on your Thanksgiving experience, of course)
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December 2nd, 2009 on 3:20 pm
When it comes to holiday meals/family gatherings, us women folk like to joke around that if we left it up to the men folk to do the dishes, etc. they’d do it wrong and we’d have to come back through and fix it. But really, it’s our “duty”. Like you, my maternal side of the family are ranchers and farmers. They (including the aunts and cousins) pull all nighters baling hay (and this last summer guarding it from theft), moving cattle, fixing tractors, etc. to keep their operation running smoothly. My dad for most of my life ran the family business (slaughter house) where we hardly say him as well. I can’t say that we take care of those that put in long hours and provide for us because of religious reasons, I can say that we do it as a thank you, as a way to “pay them back” and give the men a chance to put their feet up and rest (or take a turkey coma nap). We do it because that’s the way it’s always been: an aunt washes, cousins dry, someone puts away, someone boxes left overs, someone clears the table/buffet, etc. It’s what we do, and it works. Just like you and TH have a system and it works. And what an honor it is for you to be able to support your husband by maintaining the household that he provides for. I look forward to the day that I can to the same for my (future) husband. Props!
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December 2nd, 2009 on 3:32 pm
I think my situation is the reverse of yours. Right now, both my fiance and I are on our university summer holidays. However, I have a full time job in the construction industry and he works four hours a week at the local supermarket. Additionally, the lead up to Christmas is a very busy time around here and I’ve been working long hours (although my hours aren’t nearly as long as TH’s). As such, my fiance is doing most of the work around the house. He cleans, has a meal ready for me when I come home, washes the dishes and even makes me lunch on occasion. He does this because if we had an “equal division of labour” we wouldn’t have any time to spend together when I come home, and I’d never have a moment to relax either.
At the moment, the challenge for me is to not take the work he does around the house for granted. When things keep happening, its very easy to start just expecting them to be done, so I try to let him know how much I appreciate what he does and I also try to do the dishes on the days I’m home early. I think relationships are like a partnership. At the moment I’m working, so I’m supporting us as a couple financially, where as he is supporting us by taking care of the things at home. Neither one is more important than the other, and they’re both essential, as if either area weren’t done things would quickly fall apart.
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December 2nd, 2009 on 3:36 pm
Ooo, love the topic. For the majority of the things around our home, they are equal, ie: dishes, cleaning, laundry etc. I think the reason why is that we both work an equal 40 hour work week and we both bring home similar sized pay checks.
However, there are certain things that are split and always will be and its for no other reason than one thing is a womans job and one is a mans. For instance, you’ll rarely, if ever, catch me mowing the lawn or weed eating, or planting shrubs or fixing the leaky pipe etc. Also, as much as he will contribute with dishes, laundry etc you will hardly ever see him mop the floor, or organize a closet, or dust baseboards. The reason I think is number one knowledge of how to do these things, and secondly we’ve been conditioned this way. Since I’m conditioned to keep the house tidy by following my mother, I notice and recognize a need to vaccuum the spare bedroom, he doesn’t. Same for him; it drives him crazy for the yard to not be well kept, I however won’t notice until it touches my knees.
I really think so much of it is conditioned and learned from our families. BUT, I agree with some other posts that whatever work flow you’ve built in your home is great as long as no one feels like they are carrying the weight of the world on their shoulders and the other one has played XBox for 9 straight hours.
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December 2nd, 2009 on 4:02 pm
Some of the problems with being a SAHM (or wife) is that if your husband dies, how do you support yourself? Another problem with it (make it controversial) is that while the woman’s duties seem to be family-oriented (raising the child/children) the husband is kept away from the house more and more, “providing” for a family that he never sees or spends much time with. Begging the question - why did the couple have children in the first place?
Obviously if the man has to work unrealistic hours to support his family, I see no value in adding children to the mix just because, when he’ll not get to spend much time with them and his primary role is providing them with food & shelter.
Can you at least see where that is controversial? If he *wasn’t* supporting his family and his wife was also working (part-time let’s say) he might have to work less hours, making him more available to his children.
I guess you could argue the mom wouldn’t be *as* available then, but then you’re really giving preference over which parent you think is more important in the child’s life.
Sadly, the father’s role seems to be shown in research more & more to be just as (if not more) important as the mother’s.
Hence some problems with the whole SAHM system. Children want their fathers. Instead, their fathers come home exhausted at the end of each day & spend a few hours with them, while the mother watches them grow.
It’s just a strange situation.
Now, all that being said -
I am a stay at home wife because I’m in school, and my husband and I are relatively traditional in our roles. We knew this about each other before going into marriage. I do, however, worry about what I’d do if something happened to him. Without the experience of working for years and years, I’d really be in a difficult place, always relying on others.
I can see both sides of the coin, to sum everything up
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Erin Reply:
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:43 pm
You bring up some interesting things - but past posts have suggested that TH has always been focused on the financial future and I’m sure between life insurance, investments, Jenna’s great talent for writing and photography, and her supportive family - she’ll be just fine if something happens to TH.
But that is an interesting question - does being a SAHM limit the father’s access to the kids? - I’d say no only because of how so many careers are structured in the US. As my friend always says, “There’s no such think as a part-time law partner!” Maybe in other countries?
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Jenna Reply:
December 3rd, 2009 at 4:29 am
When it comes to father’s access and involvement with the children, it will never work if someone insists there should be an equal spread between the spouses, something I don’t think is possible if you want to have any money in life. I don’t think it’s about equal face time, I think it’s about working to equalize quality time.
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December 2nd, 2009 on 4:10 pm
D does not work nearly as much as TH and ends up playing video games every night after work (don’t get me started on how I had Wii now) and sometimes even makes dinner because I have homework due or a midterm to take. Although our cooking styles are very different. He calls what I make ‘specialty meals’ and he makes mac & cheese from the box (loaded w/ sat fat) and hot dogs. I don’t really care for the nights I need to focus on school and have to let him cook. He tried to do the laundry right when we first got married but forever exempted himself from that task when he shrunk some of my clothes.
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B Reply:
December 3rd, 2009 at 8:02 am
Mine’s not allowed to touch my clothes or he shrinks/ruins them all! Then it costs us money to replace them. Mine can do towels and his clothes only =]
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December 2nd, 2009 on 4:11 pm
I like how it no longer shows all the comments when there are an insane amount. I am lazy and don’t want to have to scroll so far.
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December 2nd, 2009 on 4:35 pm
I take care of most of the household duties, yet my husband and I both work long hours. I don’t mind, as long as he **offers** to help and is genuinely appreciative. In fact, it gives me great satisfaction to take care of him and our home. However…. those few times when he does not seem to appreciate what I do in the home? I might leave his laundry in the hamper a few extra days
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December 2nd, 2009 on 4:41 pm
LOVE this post. Thanks!
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December 2nd, 2009 on 5:54 pm
Nice post! I think every family situation is unique. It’s cool that you can look back at your aunts, uncles, and grandparents and see a pattern. The only firsthand examples I have to compare to my own are my parents (mom did most of the cleaning and cooking and works outside the home) and my brother and his wife (brother does ALL the cooking and most of the cleaning). And I have married a man more like my brother than my father. =) My husband did most of the chores and cooking for us while I was in grad school. Now that I’m done with school (yay!) we’re trying to make the division of labor more balanced, but he still does more of the cooking. I’m slowly learning how to cook more things though. We cooked almost all of the Thanksgiving food together this year, and it was so fun.
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December 2nd, 2009 on 6:13 pm
This was an interesting post for me to read. I love that you embrace your life, Jenna. And if you’re happy, and TH is happy, that’s all that matters! I’m about 180 degrees from you, though, LOL! I HATE cooking, for one. Never interested me. So my DH usually cooks. I do most of the cleaning. He does the trash and the dishes. We both work. We’re childless- 6 years and counting- and as much as I would love a child, I don’t need to be a mom to feel fulfilled as a woman. We like to travel. We like date nights. We like each other. So we’re happy. We may not be traditional, but that’s okay.
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December 2nd, 2009 on 7:45 pm
well said, Jenna! your honesty is refreshing and really, no one should judge you about how you and TH decide to live your life. because like i just said, it’s YOUR life.
keep doing whatever makes you two happy.
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December 2nd, 2009 on 8:53 pm
My husband and I both work full-time. We both come from families with really traditional gender roles, but I prefer a more egalitarian approach when it comes to housework than my parents/in-laws. It can be difficult to find a balance that works for both of us, and we make adjustments as necessary. The important thing is to find a good balance that makes you both happy. I’m glad you’ve found a balance that works for you and your husband.
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December 2nd, 2009 on 9:49 pm
Looks like I’m a little behind, but I think reading the comments made a difference in what I’m going to say, so maybe it’s for the best!
In reading the comments, I felt like, “Oh gosh, am I the only one out there who’s completely NOT domesticated?” Not that being a housewife is a bad thing… on the contrary, I admire it. But the few months that I did it, I was miserable, and my husband insisted I go back to work.
I think it stems from the fact that from the time my son was 6 weeks old until my husband and I got married when he was 4, I was a single mother. I worked full time. And I mean, newspaper reporter full time. Always on call. I had a great support system, and my son never lacked for family and love. But I don’t know how to sit still, and everything in my being is geared toward getting out and going.
Once I got married and my husband adopted my son, I decided I wanted to try and be what my mom had been… a satisfied SAHM. By then, my son was in kindergarten. And I? I was a disaster. I was bored, starved for adult interaction, and no matter how many dishes I did, I didn’t feel productive. I was used to creating, and discovering in a professional environment.
It took a lot of soul searching and prayer and support from my husband and my church for me to realize that there was nothing wrong with that. Some women are born to be SAHMs, and to cook and to clean. That is amazing, and frequently, I wish I was one of them.
But I’m not. God provided for that when He had me marry a man who loves the kitchen, and takes joy in creating meals for his family several nights a week. A man who appreciates me working, and being personally fulfilled.
I think that it does my son good to have an example of a woman like me, as well as examples of more traditional housewives who are happy in their decisions. What he’s learning is that the same thing doesn’t always make everyone happy. He’s learning that what matters is a happy, healthy family with an equal division of labor. At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter who has dishpan hands.
My Baby #2 is due the same week as Jenna’s, and I know my life will change a little then. For the last year, I’ve been able to devote myself full time to a very successful and demanding wedding photography business. I feel like this will give me the best of both worlds. I’ll be able to be at home during the day with my new baby, and experience the things I missed with my son by working full time out of the home.
But with portrait shoots and weddings every weekend, I’ll also get that creative and professional fulfillment that I need as a woman.
God provides. I believe he put me in a relationship with a man that would help me best fulfill my potential as a woman, and that I do the same for my husband. From what I’ve read, he’s done the same for many of you.
I just hope that we all remember that whatever we do, and however our households are run, it is not for any of us to decide what is the “best” way a family should function.
Good post, Jenna.
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December 3rd, 2009 on 12:12 am
It’s funny because even though my husband and I both work, and I will probably never be a SAHM or a housewife, and we pretty much split housework 50/50 (OK, more like 60/40, but who’s counting?), I find that holiday roles still tend to fall along gender lines. My mom did almost all of the cooking this year (though that wasn’t the case when my dad was alive), and then after we ate, the boys went immediately to watch tv, while my mom and I took turns cleaning up for the rest of the day, and then I baked cookies at the request of my little brother. True, the husband and I did get up at the crack of dawn so he could smoke a turkey. But still, I think it’s funny how even nontraditional people tend to act more traditionally when it comes to holiday, well, traditions.
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December 3rd, 2009 on 3:59 am
TH’s mom and dad both worked full time (at his dad’s company) all throughout his childhood and his mom was in charge of everything that went on at home despite the similar work schedules between husband and wife. It’s only now that we are married that he fully appreciates how much his mom really did. I admire her (and you!) for having that attitude and assuming those responsibilities.
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December 3rd, 2009 on 7:34 am
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December 3rd, 2009 on 10:06 am
My husband and I both work full time, and he goes to school full time and we don’t have children yet. We both pitch in, and we both slack off, but we’re both fairly understanding of each other and our unique situations. I can’t wait to get to be a SAHM. The more I think about it, the more I hate my day job. lol. Maybe I should work on that…honestly though, I really enjoy “taking care of others” in the sense that, when people come over for dinner, I prefer to be in the kitchen attending their every need than just sitting around asking them to do things. Funny thing though, when it’s just my husband and myself, I don’t always feel like tending to his every need. Sometimes, I just like to be lazy. lol.
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