I cost that much mom?!?!?
Lots of requests for the text of the email I wrote regarding baby costs, but I’m not going to paste in the one I complained about in my previous post, I’m going to show a different one that I wrote to Beka which goes into much more detail. It was written before I had T1, and I’ll go ahead and note any areas where I’ve since changed my mind below. For those who are wondering, Beka did reply to my monster email with a very sincere message that explained what she got out of my somewhat jumbled list of thoughts, which I really appreciated.
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Below I’ve created a giant list of all of the expenses I can think of for a baby for the first year. I’ll probably just copy and paste the whole thing over to my blog someday, and I have you to thank for getting me to write this all up.
Things we are cutting out
-First home. By agreeing not to purchase a home for several years, and prioritizing children and family over settling into a home, we are saving an incredible amount of money. We plan on moving a lot for husbands job and who knows how long we will stay in an apartment, or if a terrific deal will come up in a place we are planning on staying long term, but we are going to be renters for a long while yet.
-Nursery. It’s for the parents, not the baby. It’s a little tough when I see people blogging about it, but I haven’t purchased a single “nursery” item yet. No crib, no bedding, our dresser will be non-matching and ugly (I might sand it down and paint it though!), no decor, no mobiles, and the glider/rocker will be used off of Cragislist and probably hideous to see.
Areas we are saving
-Cloth diapering. I estimate our savings will be at least $1000 by choosing cloth over disposable. A great chart that talks about ALL the costs of cloth diapering and compares them to disposable can be found here.
-lactation consultant to help with breastfeeding, which will help with breastfeeding and means we will save money on formula if I don’t give up when I would have otherwise
-Cosleeper bassinet. We are going to get a pack-n-play (used of course), but we aren’t buying a crib which saves us at least $100 if we were planning on getting a used one.
-Dressing baby only in onesies or gifted clothes in the beginning. I will have to start buying clothes eventually, but I’m planning to buy used/Goodwill when I can (if I shop at thrift stores why can’t the baby?), hoping for a girl because my mom saved a bunch of baby clothes from when my sister and I were small, and I know since it’s the first grandchild for my parents that my mom is going to go nuts buying us stuff.
-Making own baby food. I plan on exclusively breastfeeding for the first 6 months, so food will be free for 6 months, but after I introduce solids I don’t want to buy foods produced by someone else.
-Not finding out the gender, which means everything we are buying before baby (which really isn’t much) is gender neutral, so when we have our second one we won’t have to feel weird about putting the boy in the girly stroller or something.
-Choosing a home birth over the birth center saved us $1000. Yep, they charge $1000 for you to labor for something like 24 hours!
-No child care. I’ll scale back my business to handle the demands of the baby as necessary. Being self-employed gives me the freedom to do that. Although, if Jenna Cole really takes off I can potentially see us looking into some childcare where we have someone come over and help watch the baby so I can get some work done. That isn’t in our immediate plans right now.
-Exclusively breastfeeding. Formula can add over $1000/year to your grocery bill.
Area we could have saved
-Finding a CNM (certified nurse midwife) instead of a CPM (certified professional midwife). CNMs are covered by most insurances, I just couldn’t find one I liked and having a care provider that was a right fit for me was worth more than saving the money.
Gifts we have recieved
-Car seat (a sweet friend sent this to us free of charge when she had two to get rid of after her twins outgrew them)
-Onesies, I think we have l like 8 now? We definitely need more!)
-Recieving blankets (a Christmas gift from my grandmother)
-BeaBea Babycook, Steams/Purees/Defrosts baby food. Should prevent us from needing to buy anything in jars.
Items Purchased
-Maternity Clothing Total = $623
$188 Gap/Old Navy= 1 nursing bra, 4 shirts, 2 dresses (all bought on sale for 20% off with free shipping, ordered over $1000 worth over clothing, tried it all on, kept a few that fit me best, send it all back and paid $6 shipping)
$87, Target=2 shirts, 2 dresses, 1 pair of tights, 1 pair black pants, 1 pair of rainboots (for maternity shoot)
$40, Ross/TJMaxx= 3 black stretchy dresses, not maternity
$268.42, Motherhood Maternity = 1 winter coat for $50, 1 dress for $70, 1 pair of jeans for $70, 1 jacket for shooting weddings, 1 shirt for under jacket for shooting weddings
$40, Shade.com = 4 basic stretchy shirts
There are definitely areas that you can save on maternity clothing where I could not. My religious beliefs impose some restrictions on the way I dress which means everything needs to have sleeves and be at least to my knees. I tried to buy on sale whenever I could but there are definitely areas where I had to spend a bit more because of this (such as the $60 dress I have from Gap and the $70 dress from Motherhood Maternity, both are nice and long and fit me best of all, I’m glad I splurged on them). I am glad I splurged on a nice pair of jeans that fit well and make me feel good. I only have one pair of jeans right now, but I actually only have one pair of regular jeans anyway.
I’m pretty proud of the wardrobe I have been able to put together for $600.
-Prenatal vitamins, $235, I’m taking a multivitamin, choline, and omega-3 oil capsule
-Stroller, $118, Definitely my biggest splurge so far, but I really love it! (http://twitpic.com/pd82j)
-gDiapers diaper covers, $170.24 (50% savings off the retail price!) for 6 large, 6 medium, 6 small, I still need to buy inserts (we are going to mix the disposable (expensive) and the handmade washable (cheap)), our total diaper cost (including the cost of laundry detergent/water in the washer) should be around $800 over a 2 year period I think
-Bella Bands, bought on sale from a daily deals site, 2 for $32.50 with shipping from BabySteals.com. The only colors left were a bright turquoise and a silver, which I’ve been able to work with.
-EpiNo, a device for stretching the Perineum and preparing for labor, considered an essential purchase for my husband who believes avoiding any tearing is a top priority (and I’m glad!), purchased for $250
-Blanket, super soft and oh-so-pretty, $15
-Onesie from Etsy that I couldn’t pass up, $15
Things we will buy new
-Wipes, I estimate we will spend something like $300 on wipes over the 2 years of the babies life based on some quick internet research, though that could be very wrong!
-Wipe warmer, from my reading this can be crazy helpful for nighttime changings so baby isn’t startled awake. Looks like they can be purchased for between $20-30
-Baby tub, I want this one but it’s a total splurge. Babies just bring so much clutter! $40
-Nightlight, $10. Only buying new because finding a used one probably isn’t worth the effort. ![]()
-Socks, $20
-Onesies, $40
-Sleepsack, $20, great way to keep baby warm and reduce the chances of SIDS
-Miracle blanket, $30, this is the swaddling blanket I’ve heard the most raves about
-My Breast Friend nursing pillow, $35, the nursing pillow most lactation consultants seem to love
-Diaper pail and liner, $30
-Cloth diaper wet bags, $30
-Disposable diapers to use as burp cloths, $15
-Diaper bag, $50 (this will be another area I splurge as I’d like to have something I don’t despise since I’ll be dragging it around with me everywhere I go)
Things we will buy used
-Bouncer seat (Craigslist), $20
-Glider/Rocking Chair (Craigslist), $100
-Cosleeper (We are going to use something like this), $30
-Pack-n-Play, $50
-Dresser, $50
-MP3 player and Dock for playing white noise, $30
-Baby Bjorn baby carrier, $20
Other
-Home birth/midwife fee, $3000 (this covers all prenatal care, the birth, and one follow-up visit at home)
-Lactation consultant, hopefully we will only need one or two visits, which I estimate should cost around $150
-Renting a hospital grade pump, $70/month (I’ll probably want to use for 4 months?), $280
-Slings, I plan on buying several to find one that really works for me, I’m budgeting $100 for this although that is just a guess
When you add all of that up, and tack on another $500 for stocking the medicine chest, buying clothes once baby grows out of the newborn stage, laundry detergent, high chair (used of course, bottles, an increase to the grocery budget for items to use for baby food, potentially a used crib in our future once we head off to business school in the Fall, well baby visit co-pays, and a few other things I’m sure I haven’t thought of, the total comes out to about $7000 for the first year of life, including the home birth. If we were like our friends and birthed in a hospital for $15 (no joke! husband’s insurance is really good), our cost would have fallen to around $4000.
This post by my friend Julia might help you, I loved it when I read it: http://julia-transition.blogspot.com/2010/01/money-and-babiesyou-know-usual.html
If you are thinking of going back to work you need to research costs of day care, professional wardrobe, gas, wear and tear on car, professional wardrobe, networking with colleagues (are you expected to attend social events or other things that will cost you money in some way?), lunch away from home, cost of formula if you can’t figure out a pumping schedule, etc. It is my understanding that in most cases, couples don’t really save that much money by having the mother go back to work, although in a part-time situation like you were describing it might be different. Some quick googling didn’t bring me any answers on how to estimate this but if you spend some time researching I”m sure you will find some answers.
Please let me know if you have any questions. And when you have the baby. I can’t think of anything I wouldn’t sacrifice to be going through this very thing right now.
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Notes from the other side:
Ahh, the naivete of someone who thought they could make breastfeeding happen no matter what. That was definitely an area where we didn’t save anything! And we abandoned cloth diapers for our time in Chicago which means we probably ended up paying more for diapers for our first child than the average family.
You can see a nice long list of the baby gear we ended up purchasing (and the things we regretted) here.
We received many more gifts after my baby shower and after I had the baby.
The biggest clothing cost so far has been shoes. He needs new ones every 3 months or so, and since he has super wide feet they often cost around $40. Preventing him from going shoeless has turned into a very costly endeavor! I try to be pretty frugal with T1′s clothing, lots of thrifted pieces, lots of Carter’s sets from Costco, and lots of gifts, although I admit there are a few new pieces mixed in here and there.
There may be some cash transactions Mint doesn’t have, but based on our credit card statements so far we have spent:
$600 on clothing/shoes
$3,485 on pregnancy/birth
$4,911 on baby supplies (diapers, formula, wipes, everything that we bought specifically for T1)
Coming in at just under $9000 for the first 15 months isn’t bad when my original estimate was $7000 for 12 months (remember my original estimate included cloth diapering and breastfeeding). Imagine what it would have been if we went all out decorating a nursery and buying top-of-the-line car seats, strollers, and high chairs!
So, who still wants to have a baby? It’s worth it, I promise!
















July 19th, 2011 on 12:17 pm
Quick thing for ya that I just learned the other day. Omega 3 supplements are not regulated, so you might want to do a couple quick and easy tests to make sure you are getting what you think you are! First, stick one of the oil caplets in the freezer – if it freezes, it aint oil (apparently some have been known to just have WATER in them!!). Assuming it passes that, then burst the caplet into a styrofoam cup and wait. If its really Omega 3, it should eat through the cup. Some caplets actually have omega 6s (which you dont want) and that will just sit there in peace in the cup with no reaction. Some companies should be ashamed!
Sorry that was off topic – just saw the omega 3 thing and wanted to pass that on!
Somewhat on topic question – did the lactation consultant give suggestions for T2 that might lead to more milk production? Or is it just one of those things that sometime just doesn’t work like it should?
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Jenna Reply:
July 20th, 2011 at 8:21 pm
Wow, these suggestions are things I’d never heard before. Thank you!
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July 19th, 2011 on 12:27 pm
As always, I love your perspective on having as little excess baby stuff to clutter up your house. I really agree with the comment about how the nursery is for the parents. I hope to keep it simple like this when we have children!
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July 19th, 2011 on 12:28 pm
Thanks for the long and detailed post on this, Jenna. It’s nice and refreshing to see someone who is watching their budget prepare for baby. Keeping the gender neutral in case of another child is a genius idea! I hadn’t thought about that but it sure would be nice to reuse a lot of the clothes that I’m sure they grow out of too fast. Man, even with scrimping here and there, babies sure are expensive, aren’t they?
Is T1 still in the Graco crib? Do you find it is hard to get him in and out since it is on the floor instead of lifted up off the ground like a “normal” crib?
With the Graco crib, did you feel the pack-n-play was useful or just another thing around the house?
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Jenna Reply:
July 21st, 2011 at 5:03 pm
Yes, he is still in the Graco crib. As of yet, it doesn’t seem like it is cramping him, but I know we are going to face a decision about that soon. We aren’t sure what we will do yet.
No, getting him out really isn’t a big deal. Especially now that he’s older, he only goes in and out 4 times/day. One nap each day, and one sleep at night.
I’m not sure about your last question. The Graco thing is a pack-n-play. I really don’t think you need a pack-n-play for seperate uses unless you are going to be sending the baby out for someone to babysit at their own home.
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Jill Reply:
July 21st, 2011 at 7:42 pm
Thanks, I guess I didn’t realize the crib and the pack-n-play were the same thing. I appreciate you responding.
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July 19th, 2011 on 12:31 pm
Great post, Jenna! I had a quick question, how often did you end up using the beaba babycook? I know it was a gift, but I’m curious if you would still consider it a good investment.
Also, I have to agree with this: ” It is my understanding that in most cases, couples don’t really save that much money by having the mother go back to work, although in a part-time situation like you were describing it might be different.”
So many women I know, have ended up not going back to work or leaving shortly after returning. Many of them have said that their entire paycheck would have gone straight to daycare.
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Marissa C Reply:
July 19th, 2011 at 6:12 pm
Curious about the babycook too!
I’m lucky that my job pays well enough to still make it worthwhile to work even with childcare costs…especially since I am the sole provider until my husband finishes medical school. I have a sweet friend who has already volunteered to watch my child FOR FREE…It’s too far away to see if that will really happen, and I certainly will pay her no matter what, but it makes me feel a wee bit better!
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Jenna Reply:
July 21st, 2011 at 5:06 pm
See below
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Korey Reply:
July 20th, 2011 at 11:02 am
I also wanted to ask about the babycook. My mom thinks it’s ridiculous and unnecessary. :/
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Jenna Reply:
July 21st, 2011 at 5:07 pm
Answered below!
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Sophia Reply:
July 20th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
I’m not a parent, but I’m an avid cook with an excellent food processor. I don’t see how one would need a babycook if one has a food processor. Or heck, even a potato masher, lol
But that’s just my non-parent/cooksalot perspective.
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Jenna Reply:
July 21st, 2011 at 5:06 pm
I would say… SO not worth the money. Well, not worth it for someone like me, who never really did the whole puree thing for baby.
*sigh*
I have got to write a post on how I fed T1!
I’ve used it a few times for making a side of veggies for husband and myself, but definitely not worth the money or the cupboard space.
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Korey Reply:
July 22nd, 2011 at 12:11 pm
That’s what I suspected…
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kourt Reply:
July 23rd, 2011 at 12:03 am
I wondered about that. Thanks for letting us know!
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July 19th, 2011 on 12:43 pm
Interesting post…as a Canadian it’s always interesting to compare costs !
I would just like to add a point about returning to work vs not returning to work. While many people may not see much of a financial benefit, there are often retirement benefits to consider. While you are not working, it is more difficult to contribute to those types of savings. I have a retirement package at my job, so even if I don’t clear a lot of money, I am still receiving good benefits in return for working. Just wanted to highlight another side to that argument.
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Katie Reply:
July 19th, 2011 at 7:22 pm
I always wonder if people are factoring in the retirement and other benefits in when they say that they’d break even after paying child care. You have to consider retirement, insurance and the fact that you might be considered an undesireable employee after a few years out (depending on the field you work in). It’s so much more than just your paycheck you could be losing! Of course, there are many intangible benefits to a spouse staying at home.
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Sophia Reply:
July 20th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
And, especially for women, it’s about continuity on one’s resume. Unfortunately, as a society, we give a lot of lip service to family values but we punish women and “baby track them” all the time. An excellent book on this is “The Price of Motherhood” by Crittenden. Women who leave the workplace and try to return are often never allowed to get back “on track” and really progress further in their careers. I’m not saying this means “so don’t stay home with your babies!”, I’m saying this means we need to walk the talk of family values/importance of raising children and not punish mothers for leaving the workplace to raise their kids. And yes, some fathers leave, but study after study has shown that they are not treated at all the same when they re-enter the workplace.
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July 19th, 2011 on 12:56 pm
Thank you for posting this. Very helpful.
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July 19th, 2011 on 12:56 pm
This is wonderful! I definitely still want to have a baby! This actually makes it feel do-able!
Did you use programs like WIC? Would that help to cut costs as well? What about health insurance?
Thanks for the great post for future mommas!
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kylydia Reply:
July 19th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
WIC is something that you have to qualify for based on a number of different factors, primarily income. If you think you might qualify, it might definitely be worth a call to find out about government assistance programs like WIC or child health insurance.
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Hannah Reply:
July 19th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
Thanks! I was just wondering if Jenna (or really, anyone else for that matter) knew the difference those kind of programs make? If we get pregnant ANY TIME soon, we would definitely need the help of a program like this. Obviously, a baby is expensive whether or not you have help, but was wondering how it compares to doing everything on your own! I’ll have to do the real homework when it’s more of a reality for us.
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Chelsea Reply:
July 19th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
I may be about to get my head bitten off… but I think it’s incredibly irresponsible to get pregnant on purpose if you know you’re going to need the help of a program like WIC.
Since I’m saying that, I’ll go ahead and back it up with personal experience…
My son was born as the result of abusive high school relationship. I was a VERY young single mother. I used WIC to help me get by. And was ashamed every time I went in there. I knew that part of my paycheck went to government programs like this that were developed specifically for people like me, but still it was humiliating to admit that I had brought a child into the world that I couldn’t care for without government assistance. The day that I was able to not renew my eligibility to WIC is one of the proudest days I’ve ever had.
When my husband and I got married, I told him in no uncertain terms that we would not be having another child until we could pay for absolutely EVERYTHING ourselves. I never wanted to have to rely on government assistance again. I’m glad it was there when I needed it, and I don’t mind continuing to fund the program with my taxes for other women and their children who just need a little help to get through a rough time.
But as a taxpayer, and a parent, it makes me angry to think that people who cannot afford to have a baby would consider plowing ahead with “trying”, and just rely on the government to make up the difference.
Wait until you can afford to support a baby, and THEN get pregnant. You won’t regret it.
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schmei Reply:
July 19th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
Especially in today’s economy, I’m glad there are programs like WIC out there, and as a taxpayer I’m happy to support them. I’d rather know that folks who are struggling to make ends meet are still able to feed their kids good stuff. For what it’s worth, the two moms I know well who get assistance from WIC are both working full time, but both of their husbands were laid off – after babies were already in the picture. It’s not something that can always be predicted, and that’s why there are safety nets.
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Chelsea Reply:
July 19th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
Oh I’m totally with you on that front! I’m glad there’s a safety net, and I think the moms you know who are using it because the husbands got laid off are a perfect example of why I support the program. Or, I guess, why I’m happy supporting the program… it’s not like I can opt out of taxes.
I am in favor of their being a safety net “just in case”, and am in favor of people being able to give their families good nutrition. The point I was trying to make is that I am NOT in favor of people choosing to get pregnant knowing they’ll need help. If getting pregnant is a choice, I believe you can CHOOSE to wait until you can afford it.
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Hannah Reply:
July 19th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
I’m not offended. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to have that opinion. I think programs like WIC are there to help people. I pay my taxes, I don’t see why I can’t benefit from a program I help to maintain. That doesn’t mean I take child-rearing lightly. I wouldn’t for a second consider starting a family without having all my bases covered. With that said, I’m more than willing to make sacrifices. If I’m receiving financial or physical help from someone (or anyone or anything) I wouldn’t “take advantage” or milk it for all it’s worth. I’m preparing to make a move to another state so my husband can continue his education and I can find a job. Money is extremely tight. So much so that if we were anyone else, we probably wouldn’t be making this move. When we move, we’ll have a bed, a desk, a bookshelf and a ton of kitchen things. We don’t have our own dresser, table, chairs, couch, etc. But that’s okay, in the end those things aren’t really necessities. My parents have offered their financial help, and though we keep that in mind, we still don’t have our hands out asking for them to pay for all the things we don’t really need. It would be the same for us if and when we decide to have children.
Setting all that aside, I believe the family is essential to God’s plan here on earth. I believe we are supposed to procreate. I also believe in hard work and education, and I believe those things are also things God has asked us to do. My husband hasn’t finished his education because he served a two-year mission for the LDS church because he knew that was God’s will for him. We’re making this move now, because of opportunities that have been presented and we believe again, that it’s God’s will for us. My point being that we can’t do everything the Lord has asked us to do without a lot of faith and sacrifice, as well as some help. Call it blind faith, or whatever else you’d like to call it, but if we’re supposed to have a baby, even if it’s hard, it’s what we’ll do. If we were to wait until we could “afford” a baby…we would never have children, or at least not for another ten years or so. And to us, that means disobeying God.
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Chelsea Reply:
July 19th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
I guess I just view the program as something you can use when you absolutely need it, and something you should be proud to not HAVE to use anymore. I definitely understand that LDS view having children as the highest calling… I get that, and while I’m not LDS, I also believe that having babies is the best way to make sure there’s always someone around to spread the love of Christ to this world.
That said, I was under the impression that modern LDS doctrine encouraged having children you could afford to support. I could be totally off-base there, because I’m not LDS.
And I’m absolutely not saying that you personally, Hannah, would have a dozen babies and be a leech on society. But I *DO* know families who think that way, and it’s hard not become very jaded about it. I pay for those programs through my taxes, and give to programs through my church to help mothers and babies when they need it. But with birth control as an option, I really just don’t understand how someone can ever feel good about bringing a child into the world and essentially telling the world to pay for it.
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Hannah Reply:
July 19th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
I absolutely, 100 percent understand where you’re coming from. I know a lot of people like that with AND without children!
I wouldn’t be using the program as a first resort, but I also don’t consider myself too prideful to ask for help…if that makes any sense. In the church we talk a lot about “provident living” or self-reliance i.e. earning an education, having a job, food storage, etc. so that you can support yourself as well as serve others. There’s whole websites for the topics (like this one for example: http://www.providentliving.org/) or talks that touch on the issue (like this one: http://lds.org/general-conference/2009/04/becoming-provident-providers-temporally-and-spiritually?lang=eng&query=provident+living).
I think it’s a balance. I think we all need help at one point or another in our lives, whether it be raising a child, health care, education, etc. The church obviously doesn’t teach AGAINST needing or getting help, but it certainly emphasizes self-reliance. I don’t know how to explain that other than that there is a huge difference between an individual or family who goes without soda/alcohol, extra technologies, vacations, fancy phones and cable and still receive help versus the moochers who feel entitled to have it all without lifting a finger.
Essentially, what I’m saying is I wouldn’t ask for help without doing everything in my power to help ourselves. My husband is the same way, too. But when you need help, you need help. And I think programs like WIC exist for honest, hard-working people who just need an extra push to keep them sustained for a short amount of time.
It really, truly is unfortunate when programs like WIC get abused.
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Gogo Reply:
July 19th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
Nope, you’re right. The church encourages members to bring children into their homes as they are able to, taking into consideration the family’s emotional, physical, mental, spiritual, and financial situation. We’re told not to wait for a “perfect time,” you should expect to have to make sacrifices, but these should all be factors. And if you’re not able to add to your family that’s an ok decision to make. It’s personal.
Also, the church encourages families to utilise the church welfare program before the government’s.
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Melissa Reply:
July 19th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
I couldn’t agree with you more! I think it is terribly irresponsible to bring a child into this world knowing that you can’t afford to raise it. Now, if you get pregnant at a time when you can afford it and then something happens (lay off, injury, etc) that is a different story. I don’t know why anyone would want to bring a child into this world knowing that they can’t afford to feed and cloth that child on their own. There are already so many children that don’t have enough to eat, why would anyone want to add another.
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Hannah Reply:
July 19th, 2011 at 8:35 pm
I don’t think I’m irresponsible because I have considered using programs such as WIC. I’d be using this program to help us in a time of transition. It’s not like I’m bringing a kid into an impoverished situation where they have no hope of a better life or future. I have a degree. My husband is working on his degree. It might be a while before we are “financially stable.” And though the LDS church talks about being self-reliant, leaders also preach about focusing on eternal things, rather than worldly things, for example, the family over money.
And ya know what, heaven forbid I use a program that I pay for anyways!
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Beka Reply:
July 19th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
I think what some are saying is that the program is not meant to be used because you want a baby during a transition time. It’s meant to be used for people who have no other options. Not for someone who could choose to wait a while longer.
Let me give you an example – my cousin has five kids and is a stay at home mom – these are her choices. I happen to support such choices in theory – I come from a VERY large family with a stay at home mother. But my parents paid the bills that resulted from their choices. My cousin? She could work. She and her husband could have chosen to have fewer children. Instead, they have been on WIC for more than a decade, with no intentions of getting off it. Clearly, this is not the intent of the program.
Unfortunately, with so much waste and abuse within any large system, it can feel like “well I pay into it and everyone else uses it, I should get something for it!” I totally understand that line of thinking and confess that sometimes I think that too. Reality is though, a compassionate society is not only one in which we have safety nets for people and families in need – but also one in which we do not take advantage of those nets unless we truly are in need. Anything that is a result of a voluntary choice, rarely results in creating a legitimate need.
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Hannah Reply:
July 20th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
Just curious, but do you think government grants for education are any different? Education isn’t a need, it’s a want. If someone who can’t afford an education by their own means, should they be told “too bad” your reality outweighs your desire, and your desire isn’t a need? Someone receiving a grant for education is taking money from the tax payers, but because they receive that money, they have an opportunity to make something of themselves and pay it forward. We don’t sit around complaining about who does and doesn’t deserve a grant for education based on their intentions. If someone qualifies, they qualify, and it’s up to the individual to make something of themselves with the opportunity they’ve been given. I don’t see how government assistance for having a child is any different.
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Chelsea Reply:
July 20th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
Grants for education are typically merit-awarded, meaning the student busted tail in high school to earn good grades, thereby “proving” to the system that they will be a valuable member of society once they complete their education.
That is vastly different than government aid programs given solely on the basis of income. I’m not going to hypothesize how many recipients of these programs would or would not pass a merit-based test… that could get ugly. But suffice it to say, it’s very very different.
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Beka Reply:
July 20th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
There are some huge differences in funding, qualification and benefit structures between WIC and education grants – no, I don’t think they’re even similar.
Societies choose what they want to invest in based upon things society as a whole generally values.
In a nutshell, education grants are considered a good investment because it is commonly believed in our country that those investments will pay off in benefit to our society- higher paying jobs = more revenue in taxes, more purchasing in communities, etc. (We can argue whether that belief is true, but that’s a different subject). WIC is intended for our most vulnerable members of society who are in great need, have fallen into hard times or been adversely affected by events or circumstances beyond their control – not for people voluntarily making decisions for their own happiness that will be financed through society’s safety net. I’m speaking of my cousin – I wonder how she would feel about those monthly WIC payments if she had ever seen the extent of my little sister’s malnourishment before we adopted her. Resources are not infinite. Using society’s safety net for personal happiness seems to me to be quite effectively stealing food from the mouths of those most in need.
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Shanna Reply:
July 19th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
I agree with you whole-heartedly, Melissa. I see it as a safety net to use in hard times, not something you should utilize because you don’t want to wait a few years to have kids.
I also don’t agree with your argument that “you pay for it so you might as well use it,” Hannah. If you are on WIC because you can’t afford to raise a child on your own and you are young enough that your husband hasn’t finished a degree after his mission, I sincerely doubt you have contributed enough from your taxes for you to think that you’re “paying for it.” Since you said you don’t think you’ll be able to “afford” kids ever or for at least another ten years, you’re essentially saying you’re going to be living off the government for 10 years to forever. WIC is a safety net to be used in case of emergency, it’s not a bank.
That being said, my family is doing this currently. My brother had 4 kids during medical
school and they currently are using federal programs to help them afford groceries, etc. In 2 years he will be making approx. 300k, and yet he is using a program whose funds should be going to severely under-privileged sectors of our community. This infuriates me: even while my husband and I were making 20k each and living separately before we got married, I still recognized that I had it better than a lot of people (college education, no kids, family support, etc) and I refused to take money that could be better spent elsewhere and I am proud of it. I want to keep these programs funded for people who NEED it to survive, not just want it, especially if I ever have to use it in the future (knock on wood).
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Jackie Reply:
July 19th, 2011 at 8:53 pm
I don’t want to say “oh you shouldn’t feel ashamed for using WIC” because I don’t want to tell you your feelings are wrong. I’m writing this taking a break from researching for my thesis which deals a lot with low-income people and government food programs.
You weren’t freeloading. These are programs that our government has decided that, as a citizen of this country, you have the right to access. It’s acknowledging that even though you might not be making a ton of money as a young mom, or maybe even got pregnant at the wrong time, you and your child still deserve food and housing.
It’s great that you are off WIC and stable now. But everyone needs some help at some point in their lives!
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Jackie Reply:
July 19th, 2011 at 8:48 pm
From my knowledge of WIC and Jenna’s financial situation, she would probably not qualify. It’s a little “harder” to qualify for WIC and food stamps than you might think initially. For instance, my husband and I are both full time students who work verrrrry part time and we wouldn’t qualify! For WIC you have to be at a nutrition risk, which I don’t think T1 is. To get food stamps, you not only need to be low-income, you can only have less than I think $2000 in savings. So it’s more than just not making a lot of money at the present time!
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Hannah Reply:
July 19th, 2011 at 9:02 pm
I figured it wasn’t easy to qualify for. Seeing as how the post was about how much a baby can cost, I was just curious what it might be like for someone who didn’t have sufficient money or it was a surprise, etc.
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Jackie Reply:
July 19th, 2011 at 9:22 pm
The average SNAP (food stamp) benefit per person is $130 a month and the average WIC benefit is $40, though that varies state to state. WIC covers formula (though I think its only one brand), but it is a better deal for breast feeding moms because it covers more food for the moms than for non-breastfeeding moms. WIC is limited to certain types of food – bread, milk, eggs, cereal, peanut butter, fruits and vegetables. But there are limits, for instance no organic milk and no free range eggs.
There are other public assistance programs such as CHIP (children’s medicaid) or TANF (Temporary Assistance to Needy Families).
A lot of these-type programs are facing significant cuts though. Help for “oops” babies is getting slimmer!
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Hannah Reply:
July 19th, 2011 at 9:27 pm
Thanks for the response! It was very helpful.
That really is a shame. There are so many circumstances where extra help is warranted.
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MrsW Reply:
July 20th, 2011 at 11:41 am
Well at the risk of getting flayed alive all over this blog… my baby’s on WIC, and Medicaid, and we’re hoping to have another child soon.
As to the WIC benefit, we qualified because our income is very very low (>$20K/annually) and my daughter is very small. For her toddler checks, we get 3.5 gallons of whole milk, 1 dozen eggs, 1 lb of cheese, 1 lb or 4 cans of beans, two selections of a whole grain (whole wheat bread, brown rice, or corn tortillas), $6 worth of produce, juice, and some breakfast cereal. When she was on baby checks, we got TONS of baby food — most of it is going to a charity soon because she wouldn’t eat it. When I was on the momma checks, I got pretty much all of the above, except 1% milk, $10 of produce, and canned tuna or salmon. That is all per month.
And for my defense of our use of these programs… my husband served four years in the military, and once we are through this tight phase financially, we plan on paying lots of taxes and making lots of charitable donations. We already tithe the small bit we make. Why not wait? Well, our first child was a surprise (we were trying to be “careful” during the first three months of our marriage before my husband’s medical benefits became available so I could get birth control) and for reasons of family dynamics I feel it would be very bad for our family to make her an only child for six or seven years while we waited for my husband to earn his PhD and find his first job. If not for T, we would have just waited, but God’s wisdom is higher than man’s. So we plan on using student loans and a little help to grow the family we feel God wants us to have, and give back as soon as we are able. And yes, this eats me up (ask my mom and my husband, I’ve cried buckets over it) but I feel it is the best I can do.
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Hannah Reply:
July 20th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Thank you. This is EXACTLY the kind of information/example I was hoping to hear. I won’t flay you for your decisions either.
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Chelsea Reply:
July 20th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
No flaying here, and I’m the one who started the argument. I think the very fact that you aspire to not having to use the program anymore, aspire to being able to give back, and admit that it’s not the way you would have ideally LIKED to do things, all exempts you from the point I was making in the first place. My children are 7 years apart, due to finances and infertility struggles, and I absolutely wish we could have had them closer together.
AND, most importantly, thanks to you and your husband BOTH for your service to our country!
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Jackie Reply:
July 21st, 2011 at 9:22 pm
IMO, WIC/SNAP is not a “well you screwed up as a person so let the government bail you out until you are back on your feet.” It’s “there’s an imbalance in our system and this is our way of correcting it.” We have one of the most stratified developed countries (meaning a few people have lots and lots of money and the vast majority of us have relatively little). So not being able to afford food isn’t always your “fault” sometimes it’s just the way life works. I don’t think it’s wrong to try for more children while on WIC/SNAP. You aren’t a ward of the state. You are a free person!
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MrsW Reply:
July 21st, 2011 at 10:05 pm
Thank you all for being so kind… I’ve been privy to some not-so-nice forum discussion among self-appointed WIC/SNAP “police” who will go so far as to say that women who find themselves pregnant while on state aid should have abortions to avoid becoming a further burden on the state. So I was quite nervous what ya’lls reaction would be and I’m so pleased that it’s been a good one. Kudos to Jenna on having a lovely bunch of readers/commenters!
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July 19th, 2011 on 12:58 pm
Thank you for posting this! DH and I are seriously considering trying to start our family in the next few months and were wondering about the cost of birth. I plan on showing him this post tonight and talking about it.
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July 19th, 2011 on 1:09 pm
Ah, yes. All soon-to-be moms make ideas and plans or have opinions about things only to have them not work out. That’s life! That little person comes along and sometimes your best laid plans go out the window. I was NOT going to do the pacifer thing, but then I had a sweet little boy that couldn’t eat for at least 10 days thanks to his surgery and HAD to use a pacifer to work on his ability to suck. A little flexibilty goes a long way in the first few years of life!
But with all your plans you’ll be even more prepared for Baby #2 now that you know what you like and don’t like, what will work for you and what doesn’t.
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July 19th, 2011 on 1:16 pm
You know, having received this almost a year and a half ago, and looking at it now, it’s funny how some of my thoughts have changed since I first read it. For instance – at the time, I thought I would really want to know what gender our baby is and sort of disregarded your idea of not knowing so that your gender-neutral baby items could be used for baby #2.
Now, looking at the actual logistics of doing this and the costs and such, I think it’s freaking genius. Not just for baby stuff like strollers, but even for the nursery overall.
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Sara Reply:
July 19th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
Yes, all of my stuff is gender neutral. Most of my clothing, even, although I have gone ahead and bought some cute girly stuff. Any large items, though, neutral. I just cannot understand the people I see feeling like they’re needing to repurchase strollers, car seats, even cribs, just because they have a different gender the next time! What a waste.
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beka Reply:
July 19th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
Not to mention, while we currently have a lot of room to grow in our house, who knows how long we’ll be here! We could run out of room just buying boy and girl colors of everything!
But then, to be honest, I’m not a huge fan of most cutesy baby stuff anyway. I dislike both primary and pastel colors. So my poor children will likely grow up surrounded by white, black, beige and gray. I should start saving for their future therapists’ bills now.
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MrsW Reply:
July 23rd, 2011 at 2:06 pm
Definitely agree! All of my big-ticket items (stroller, carseat, swing, etc) are gender neutral, either Pooh-themed or black.
I just do not understand having to rebuy all of those expensive things for a son because you got pink for your firstborn daughter or the like. I’d probably just make my son use a pink carseat, actually.
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Jenna Reply:
July 23rd, 2011 at 2:48 pm
That’s what I would do!
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July 19th, 2011 on 1:17 pm
This post is very interesting! I’m switching to natural birth control (FAM), and the slight risk of pregnancy (2% if I’m strict about it) is certainly in the back of my mind. My husband and I are both planning to start grad school next fall and will be living off of student loans at that time. We’d both secretly like a child sooner than later and it is nice to have costs broken down like this. Thank you for sharing!
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Jackie Reply:
July 19th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
You sound like us! We are both in grad school and plan on starting trying sometime after we graduate, but we wouldn’t mind an “oops” baby. Even though that baby would wipe out our savings. Still worth it!
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Marissa C Reply:
July 19th, 2011 at 6:17 pm
As a FAM (actually the Catholic version–NFP) user, I can tell you it REALLY works if you follow the rules. The risk of pregnancy is very low. And actually, if you choose to abstain during the fertile period, it is even lower because if the condom breaks during that time…!
That being said, it does tend to “open your heart” to having your first child or more children! Ours wasn’t an “oops” baby, but we were ready even though another time might have been “better”
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Caroline Reply:
July 19th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
Yes. A lot of the blogs that I have followed for well over a year have announced pregnancies in the last few months. Emotionally, I very much want to take the next step, but we have absolutely no savings and are living partially off of college loans already. I believe family would have furniture they could give us, but I’d like a steady income before we try to support a third. I look forward to that day so much!
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July 19th, 2011 on 1:24 pm
On the shoes front- I think I’ve commented about this before- ONCE UPON A CHILD!!!! They are all over the country and sell gently used (a lot of stuff still has tags on!) kids stuff from clothes to shoes to baby gear. I’ve gotten Robeez and Koala Kids shoes there for less than $5.
The other hint- all those flash sale sites like Zulily and Totsy have been having kids shoes on there like CRAZY. And many of the styles remind me of the sneakers T1 has already. If you need an invite, let me know and I’d be happy to send you one.
Hope it helps.
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Jenna Reply:
July 21st, 2011 at 5:08 pm
He really can only fit in a few different types of shoes. Otherwise buying used would totally be the way to go! But I have to buy him specialty XW sizes. It’s ridiculous, but I have the same issues with my feet so I understand the discomfort of having too small shoes
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July 19th, 2011 on 1:32 pm
Thanks for the break down. It so interesting to see how things actually pan out once your in the thick of it. I’m kind of curious if I added it up, how much we’ve spent on our son. We’re lucky to have been able to breastfeed exclusively and we are cloth diapering full time.
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July 19th, 2011 on 1:35 pm
What a great post – I’ll have to do a similar one. I really feel like Ella has been the world’s least expensive child.
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July 19th, 2011 on 1:41 pm
I am pleasantly surprised that this is WAY less than what I was estimating. Thank you so much, this was really informative!
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July 19th, 2011 on 1:45 pm
we spent around $2k so far between preg. and my now 10wk old…. we co-sleep in our bed, all onesies, disposable 7th gen diapers, splurged on aden/anais muslin blankets, chicco keyfit 30 car seat new off ebay, i exclusively breastfeed but did get 2 visits w/a private lactation consultant, we baby wear – moby wrap and ergo, my brest friend pillow, fisher price swing, tiny love mobile and activity mat, and we have awesome health ins where my prental visits/natural birth/ 24hr hospital stay was $250. i bought used gear from craigslist and got handmedowns. the only expense we did not anticipate is the add’l $80/mo for baby health ins.
side note – 2 mormon questions i’d be curious about — 1) undergarments and 2) the view of the afterlife. i live near hill cumorah in rochester and subsequently have a few morman friends but feel weird about asking them.
and thanks for the continual fun posts! i have enjoyed your blog for ages but never comment
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Amy Reply:
July 19th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
Annalisa if you click on “The LDS Faith” at the top of the site it lists all of Jenna’s posts about her religion. Scroll towards the bottom and there is a post titled The Temple Garment: http://thatwifeblog.com/2009/01/the-temple-garment/ She’ll have to better direct you towards one on the afterlife!
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Jenna Reply:
July 21st, 2011 at 5:11 pm
This question made me think I need to write a post on garments that’s a bit more practical. I’ll think about doing that!
And this post talks about LDS views on life after death: http://thatwifeblog.com/?p=692
This one too! http://thatwifeblog.com/?p=789
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Annalisa Reply:
July 21st, 2011 at 5:21 pm
thanks for the reply! i guess i am curious about the lds view of the after life in the context of family. i heard something about husbands and wives can be with each other in heaven? what about kids/parents/etc? could you shed some light on this?
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Jenna Reply:
July 21st, 2011 at 5:47 pm
That happens to be one of the central focuses of our faith! The idea that families “can be together forever”.
You can learn more about this idea here: http://mormon.org/family/
And watch a video on why we think families are so important here: http://www.youtube.com/MormonMessages#p/c/4E784EC0770935C0/8/0J-_f4oRuWI
My parents lost a baby at birth, his name was Drake. Knowing that I can have the chance to interact and have a relationship with Drake one day is a powerful thing for me. I love my sister Shay, and I want to have the same relationship with Drake that I have with her.
I’d love to talk with you about this more, or answer any other questions you have. Let me know!
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July 19th, 2011 on 2:48 pm
What an awesome post!! I have a nine month old and I have to say that I wish I knew back then what I could have saved on.
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July 19th, 2011 on 3:28 pm
Thanks for this post, but thanks especially for the link in your baby stuff post (yeah, I didn’t see that when you originally posted it) to your pack n play: it’s EXACTLY what I was looking for. The perfect size for our small apartment!
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July 19th, 2011 on 3:53 pm
This is a fabulous post, Jenna! Exactly the sort of thing I was hoping for, especially with all the links and the great discussion in the comments. It’s kind of a relief to see a big fat number at the end of it…not quite as much as I was expecting! Thank you! (Definitely bookmarking this for future reference…)
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July 19th, 2011 on 5:12 pm
Jenna-and others,
I found this to be one of the most helpful posts you have shared! I am almost married, and not ready to be a mom at all! But I LOVE LOVE LOVE reading about what your favorite things are and HOW much they cost! I have looking back in time often to get ideas from your wedding days!
I LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE your blog!
Jackie!
ps when do you come back to Chicago?
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July 20th, 2011 on 8:29 am
Thank you for posting this. My husband and I really want a child but have been trying to figure out if can afford to. It’ nice to hear from someone who doesn’t “have” to have all the baby gear. I like your point about the nursery too.
Thank you again.
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July 20th, 2011 on 8:32 am
Wonderful post, Jenna! Thanks for sharing.
I just tarted taking a prenatal vitamin (we’re ttc!) and I was pretty overwhelmed with all of the different options. I’m wondering, how did you choose your vitamins? My doctor told me that all that matters is that I’m taking one, but when I looked on-line there seemed to be so many different types!
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Alice Reply:
July 20th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
Yes I wondered about that too. Jenna budgeted A LOT for those vitamins! My doctor told me anything would be fine. I’m taking “Major” brand ones – 100 for 5 dollars. I’d love to know more about what Jenna took. Great post by the way!
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Jenna Reply:
July 21st, 2011 at 5:19 pm
I just kind of took what my midwife told me to take. Next time I will do things differently and find cheaper versions of what she recommends.
I’m a bit wary of the supplement industry in general though. It’s not regulated well.
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Married in Chicago Reply:
July 21st, 2011 at 8:05 pm
I’ve been doing some reading about the benefits of food-based vitamins, but I agree – it is a bit unnerving how unregulated the supplement industry is!
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MrsW Reply:
July 23rd, 2011 at 10:16 pm
Do you know anything about how to source a reputable vitamin? We just buy store brand at Vitamin Shoppe, except for the cod liver oil T takes. My FIL loves Swanson but I have no idea how they manage to make everything so dang cheap.
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July 20th, 2011 on 11:17 am
Before L was even born, I created an excel spreadsheet to track any expenses that we would spend out of pocket for L. He just turned 1 and for the first 12 months, we’ve only spent approximately $2400 out of pocket (excluding maternity clothes, his first month party and 1st year birthday party). We saved money by not buying unnecessary items, all the hand me downs we received from my nephew, and all the gift cards we received from friends and family.
Overall, I find that you can still raise a kid on the cheap. We also didn’t have a nursery or all that other stuff. We do have a crib (bought with gift cards), pack n play for travel since we travel back and forth between my parents a lot, car seat and stroller.
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Mary Reply:
July 20th, 2011 at 11:19 am
Also have to mention that we have great health care and I had dual medical coverage for me so we didn’t pay a cent out of pocket for pre-natal care or labor and delivery. We never saw a bill from Kaiser.
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July 20th, 2011 on 2:36 pm
what about the extra cost of adding T1 to your health insurance? in other words not the co-pay, but your overall contribution. Does Th’s company absorb this cost?
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Jenna Reply:
July 20th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Ummm, yeah, I realized later I forgot to add this in to my total. It’s not as easy to break down because we don’t track it the way we track other expenses.
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July 23rd, 2011 on 11:25 pm
wow! This is a great resource! Thanks for posting it.
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