14 Sep
The Stigma of the Self-taught Photographer
I am self-taught, and I admit when I talk about it I probably sound like I’m ashamed of that fact. I tell the same long, boring story every time someone asks me how I came to call myself a professional photographer, and I have got to stop. If I was telling the same long, boring story each time because I was proud of it, that would be one thing, but for so long I was ashamed. I felt like I was second rate because I hadn’t been to school or started shooting film when I was 9 years old.
The photography market today is completely oversaturated with people like myself, who buy a camera and decide that they are a photographer, and I’m a bit hypersensitive to the idea that I might be a “momtog”, i.e. one of those women you know who have a dSLR and take pictures of their baby and everyone tells them they are really good so they should be a photographer and so now they are a photographer. This type of thing is rampant in LDS culture in particular, but I suspect it is relatively common in other circles as well.
Then, one day, I had a bit of an ephiphany: I don’t have to be ashamed that I taught myself! The exact words that came into my head when I had my little epiphany were: There is no shame in being self-taught, all that matters is where you are today.
I’ve gone from this:
March 2009
to this:
July 2009
to this:
December 2009
to this:
May 2010
to this:
and this:
August 2010
in under 18 months!
No longer am I going to attempt to justify how long I’ve been shooting. I taught myself how to shoot, edit, and set-up/run a business and I’m proud of that.
Now when people ask me how I became a photographer I’m going to force myself to toss my old tired lengthy explanation aside and simply say, “I taught myself,” and smile because I’m happy with that answer.
What do you think about this new phenomenon of “everyone with a camera being a professional photographer”? When seeking out the services of a photographer would you pass someone up who picked up a camera and taught them-self instead of training under someone or attending school?
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I think you’re very talented - and that has a lot to do with it. I know another girl who bought herself a fancy camera and charges people to take there picture… and frankly… this sucks. So, I would need to know more than just “self-taught.” I would ask about seminars, and other education as well. And of course, I would ask to see samples. If I like their style, it doesn’t matter if they are “pros”.
Jessica @ One Shiny Star Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 10:50 am
I know another girl who bought herself a fancy camera and charges people to take there picture… and frankly… SHE sucks [at photography].*
A professional photographer friend of the family mentioned recently to my grandparents that in the business they refer to the moms with dSLRs as the “mamarazzi” which I thought was very amusing.
Jenna Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 11:22 am
Ha! That adds one more term to my lexicon. Others I’ve heard include:
Debbie Digital
Uncle Bob (this is the term a lot of photogs use to refer to the wedding guest who shows up with equipment comparable to your own and shoots over your shoulder/gets in your shot during critical moments.
I think you are a far cry from a “momtog” at least, from what I can see.
3I don’t care where someone learned their skills, as long as they’ve got some! With artistic endeavors especially, a portfolio should speak much more loudly than any degree or certificate. I don’t even know if my wedding photographer was self taught or not.
BTW, are you going to announce the book club book soon? I’m antsy to get started!
…and I should be honest and say that “antsy” means I know it’s going to take me two weeks to renew my library card and get the book… another week to procrastinate reading, and then I’ll finally fit it in the week before
Which reminds me, maybe you could do a “one week reminder” type thing for us?
4I think that with DSLRs and digital photography software it has made the medium more accessible. However, just because you take good pictures does not mean that you are a photographer.
there is a talent to the way that photos are set up and taken rather than having effects photo shopped on.
There is a skill that some people have or are taught and yet others just simply don’t have. I don’t think that it matters nowadays if you are self taught or learned from a class. Your portfolio and references will tell the difference.
5Its hard in a world where many people have access to digital cameras and think they are fantastic photographers. I would say that looking at previous work samples would be number 1. I’m don’t think it matters that you didn’t attend any kind of professional “school” as long as you have testimonials from previous clients proving your professional manner - basically a way to show me that you know what you are doing.
Seriously though, your work is gorgeous. By just looking at it, I can tell that you know how to set up a shot, you know about lighting, and you know how to edit. That matters to me more than whatever schooling you might have had.
6It is more about the quality of the work than were you got it from.
7I mean you don’t ask a painter if he went to painting school. Certain things can be taught, but others are a natural talent.
I know the daughter of a friend, who is learning photography in school and calls herself a photographer and I’m horrified by her work. Even I can do better. And then I look at you, you’re self taught yes but you took the time to learn and it shows. Art is not like math, the way you got there doesn’t matter, it’s the result that does.
The proof is in your work!
8I would never pass up on a self-taught photographer as long as I loved their photos. There are plenty of pro photographers whose work is boring and standard. Whose work is stuck in whatever era they went to school or last felt they needed to learn something new or evolve. I respect that a lot less than teaching yourself and having motivation to continuously keep up with current trends and improve.
Since I am not LDS I am not sure if I am allowed to comment on the LDS community but I think the mom-tog thing is a very mormon thing and I think that has a lot to do with mom’s staying at home and needing a creative outlet. I think it’s very different than having a business and paying customers, like you.
I would imagine that in Utah it would be really hard to make any kind of profit. The market has to be saturated.
9I think it really depends. I like the idea of professional standards but I think photography is like someone who paints or draws. There are millions of artists out there with no formal training who are better than some people who spent way too much money on a degree. However, I can see how it would make someone angry who had spent time and money on a degree like photography only to be up against people who have no degree.
I think photography should be for the people. There are too many photographers who have prices suited only for people who are in a high pay grade or save like crazy and not always the people who want a few good shots that won’t break the bank.
I like taking pictures and I plan on trying to make some money off of it but I think realizing that I and other moms with a fancy camera have to take ourselves and what we are trying to do seriously is half the battle. Growing as a photographer, by taking classes or going to seminars or getting a mentor, will put self taught photographers right up there with those who have degrees. Not just blowing the crap out of the exposure on pictures and calling it talent.
10I think that it is awesome that you taught yourself! I think what makes you a “professional” is the fact that you take photographs for a professional business. And based on what I’ve seen, you are in fact quite successful in your business. Your photos are awesome, you run a well-maintained website/photo blog, and you put together thoughtful, beautiful details like the packaging and little extra gifts that you showcased here a little while ago. Those are all high marks of a professional! To be honest, the business things you show here make me question the professional photographers who did my wedding, as they were nowhere as close to the quality that you have. And they certainly charged professional prices!
You need to have innate talent to be able to run a successful business at anything without formal training. Taking courses is one way to get to a higher quality level of photos, but if you have natural talent and can skip the courses, that’s something to be really proud of!
11YES! I totally concur with what you’re saying! When reading PPA’s magazine, I’ve often felt stigmatized because I’m not one of those people who has gone to art school and will probably never make print sales worth thousands of dollars. I am a mom with a decent camera who hopes to supplement her family income by taking portraits for other people, turning my hobby and passion into something slightly profitable. And yes, I’m purely self-taught. Make that, I’m in the process of teaching myself as I have nowhere near reached the pinnacle of photographic knowledge.
12HOWEVER, I do get seriously bugged at those who go out and get a nice camera and think they can start a nice little business because they have a great camera. Trust me, I personally know people like this and it sometimes takes a lot to keep my mouth shut. Why am I different? Because, and I hope I don’t sound like I’m bragging, but I do have an eye for it. I’ve always had an eye for patterns, shapes, the way things all fit together to create an aesthetically pleasing scene (no, this does not seem to apply to my decorating, or lack thereof, skills). I was taking well composed photos before I ever had a good camera. When I got a good camera, I put in the time and effort to learn how to use my manual settings, what f stops are, etc. I’m a hands-on learner, so it was much easier to learn this stuff once I had my dSLR. But anyways, yeah. I might have a talent for this- it’s one of my few- but you may not. Quit trying to get in on the coolness factor and go find out what YOU are good at. Ok, so maybe this has nothing to do with this post, but there are some people I would desperately like to say this to.
As far as your question, I would totally base my decision on the photog’s work. Most likely I would go with the self-taught person, probably because they wouldn’t be stuck back in 90s like the small-town professionals seem to be around here.
agree with others it would be about recommendations from people I trust and mostly about their portfolio. there’s so much difference even in different types of photography, as you’ve mentioned on the blog before. someone may be trained and/or talented at one but not be nearly as good at another. I chose our wedding photographer and a corporate photographer I recently hired for my company for completely different things, and honestly have no idea of the background training of either. I went on word of mouth for how they were to work with and their past work, and was really happy with both.
13I think photography is like any other craft. I’m training to be a chef, and while, yes, I know how to cook enough to teach others, I felt I needed the credibility of culinary school. Maybe I don’t, but I know it will give me confidence.
I think in every creative field you are self-taught to a degree. I mean, someone can tell you everything they know, but if you don’t practice on your own you aren’t going to learn.
Can you/should you charge as much as a professional who’s professionally trained and has been working in the field for many years? Probably not. But, really, I think it’s about expectations. If you’re honest with potential clients they’ll know what to expect. And, I think that’s an area where others who are self-taught are lacking. One dSLR does not mean you’ll get artistic photos. The person behind it has to be able to do that.
Sarah for Real Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
I disagree with the part about charging less because you’re self taught. I think experience and quality of work should determine pricing.
Sara Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 4:15 pm
Perhaps I should clarify- I think if you’re just getting started you can’t expect to make as much as someone who is experienced and consistent. I found when planning my wedding that many, if not most, of the less experienced photographers were charging the same, if not more, than those who had been photographing for many years. And, when photographing important events, consistency is key.
When people ask me if I went to school for photography I tell them that I did, but that I know many many successful and talented photographers that didn’t. I also have a hard time explaining how long I’ve been shooting because I started in high school, went to college, but don’t feel like I really got good in certain areas until recent years.
My biggest problem with new photographers (or momtogs) is that they don’t delete the blurry pictures. I see so many blurry/back-focused pictures posted on blogs and it lowers my opinion of their work.
Your work, however? It totally rocks.
Regina Lynn Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 11:15 am
Agreed about the blurry photos. It’s like, are you serious? You want to showcase THAT as your work? Better to have a few GOOD images, than ALL of the photos from the entire session, regardless of their quality.
In all occasions where I’ve needed to use a professional photographer, I’ve never once even thought to ask their credentials. It’s always been a situation where I had seen previous examples of their work and liked those and went from there. I think your portfolio speaks volumes about your talents. Even your maternity shoot where you gathered the props (but didn’t actually take the photos), speaks volumes about your skill in front of and behind the camera!
16I struggle with something similar, Jenna. I was actually trained on film when I started my career in journalism, so I think that helped me get a solid grasp on the technicalities of it all. But then, Mack bought me a rebel. I started taking pictures (totally free, of course) of friends and family. Then, before too long, I had so many people asking that I had to start charging something to make sure I wasn’t being taken advantage of. We decided that I could take portraits as a side job, for shopping money and stuff. I had no interest in it as a career. Then, I shot my first weding, and was hooked. From there, business has exlpoded, and I’m so blessed to know that Mack and I have built a busines that can completely sustain our family of 4, all on it’s own.
17I’ve been through the cycle of feeling like less of a professional because I don’t have a degree in this, and haven’t invested in all these memberships and huge workshops. But you know what else we don’t have? Debt. Not a cent of what we’ve spent on equipment or web or travel for McGowan Images has been put on credit. I AM proud of that.
Lastly, I’m just now beginning to be brave enough to wear proudly my “self-taught” badge. So much so that to this point, I refuse to host a workshop no matter how often I get asked. I think it’d be completely hypocritical of me to ask people to pay and come learn in a way that I can’t vouch for, because I didn’t learn that way. I’m self-taught, and frankly, I think I prefer it that way… because I can take all the credit.
Jenna…to me, it doesn’t matter if a photographer is self taught or schooled. Quite frankly, I base my photographer choice on the style and quality of the pictures. Everytime I’ve asked a photographer how they got into photography I get a similar answer…they followed their passion. For me, having a photographer that is passionate is more important than how they learned the skill.
Btw, I think you’re an excellent photographer.
18I feel like many self-taught photographers have a passsion and a style I really identify with.
Seeing the work of a photographer is enough to convince me, whether they have 1 or 20 years of experience.
I was a ‘model’ for friends of mine as they have become self-taught photographers. They did it right, as I think you did. Starting cheaply or free, not making pretenses about your skills as you acquire them, asking questions along the way.
19I trusted them enough that after my 3rd shoot with them, they did our wedding! And they did a great (not perfect, but great) job.
I think it’s almost more impressive because you taught yourself! Besides, I’m sure there are lots of people who have taken courses, have a degree or whatever but don’t really quite have the “eye” for photography. Like pretty much any degree, it doesn’t really matter what it is but what you learned and how you can apply it. Your schooling happened to be lots of hands on experience!
I do find this topic very interesting though as I am currently taking an “introduction to photography” at a local polytechnic college and am considering doing their photography certificate. I don’t know whether I will go on to try to make it a career or just keep photography a serious hobby. I am taking it to get more practise, take better pictures of food and people and to make sure I’m “doing things correctly.” But as with most creative outlets, doing something different and against the rules can be much more interesting.
20My Uncle Ray (not Bob) a professional photographer - he owned his business and studio for over 30 years. He also has a Masters degree in Photographic Arts from a well-respected University. For that reason, which I guess amounts to family bias, training is very important to me when I consider which photographer to use.
I have friends with fancy cameras who take lovely photos, and I have friends with fancy cameras who take bad photos, but I wouldn’t trust any of them to take my wedding photos - fingers crossed my Uncle will be around to do that for me.
I’m not knocking you, or anyone, who is self-taught, as there is a lot to be said for the School of Life, but that’s just my personal experience and opinion. You take lovely photos, roll with it!
Chelsea Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
I’m interested to know whether or not your Uncle’s degree came with the hands-on knowledge of wedding photography. I’m really not trying to be snarky… just wondering. Because from the research I’ve done, there’s not a single university that has a program where people can shoot an actual wedding. And that’s not something you can be taught in a classroom. Editing, technical settings, darkroom… these are important to know. But the ins-and-outs of wedding photography might come naturally to someone without a degree, whereas I’ve shot several “Bride & Groom” sessions for couples who hired based on a degree and hated their life-less, by-the-book, run of the mill wedding pictures.
Meg Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
Hi Chelsea - my Uncle did his education over 35 years ago, so of course the medium was different. He would have worked in a darkroom, done hands-on shooting, and experimented with a variety of media to build a practical portfolio he would have been graded on, like any other Fine Arts Degree, Bachelors or Masters. The program may or may not exist anymore, but he did apprentice with an established photographer (where he may have learned some of the skills you’re talking about with the ins-and-outs of wedding photograhy), purchased his own studio, and built an extremely well-respected business in our part of Canada. When digital photography was introduced, he went back to school to study it as well. He finished his career (he’s now retired and living it up as a Grandpa), but in the last two decades, he’s held positions on Boards for a variety of accreditation committees, Fine Arts programs and photographer’s societies.
Meg Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
I re-read and obviously I’m defending him, but I don’t want to sound hostile or like his choice was better than anyone else’s. Education is very, very important in our family and that, combined with practical work experience and drive, is how he became extremely talented and successful. There are many paths to success and just because one works for someone doesn’t mean it’ll work for everyone.
Chelsea Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
I was just curious, so I didn’t take you as sounding hostile. I know there are a few programs that allow you to do internships with established wedding studios, which would have involved second-shooting at weddings.
I think the major difference these days is the “studio”. We’re a successful boutique wedding photography company (which for us is 25 weddings a year or less for clients paying an average of $3,000), and I have no use for a studio set up. My husband has never trained in a darkroom or any sort of photography, and his work stands side-by-side with mine because he second shot weddings with me when our business was becoming established.
You’re totally right… there are many paths to success. I definitely think that brides (and future brides) should take into account the ongoing investment that a photographer makes into his or her business, be that in continuing education or in other ways. I originally commented because I was afraid you were making a blanket statement that wedding photography should be learned in a classroom… now I’m confident that’s not what you were saying!
Ash & Matt | A SoCal Story Reply:
September 15th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
Just popping in to add that the Brooks Institute offers a certificate in wedding photography, so there is at least one university that offers professional training in the craft. It will be interesting to see if others follow suit.
Chelsea Reply:
September 16th, 2010 at 8:16 am
There’s a comment below that I think really summed up this point… “certification” or degree aside, you really have to take a photographer based on their work. Just like you wouldn’t give an Academy Award to an actor just because they graduated with a degree in theater, you wouldn’t want to give your wedding to someone just because they past some exams that say they know the working parts of a camera. I obviously know it’s more intense than that… but degrees can’t be awarded on having an eye for the art of photography. You earn a degree if you do the work. Just “doing the work”, though, won’t make a photography business successful.
At the end of the day, you want to go with someone who knows what they’re doing, who has backup equipment and insurance, who has an eye for the moment and a firm grasp on the technique, who’s secure enough to do their job confidently, but not so hung up on being an “artist” that they forget these are YOUR pictures.
When you’ve found that, then the price range may vary depending on how much of themselves they’ve invested in the business and what you can expect the customer service to be like.
But at that point, it shouldn’t really matter whether or not they ever passed a written test in the subject. Well… unless you plan on giving a written test at your wedding.
Ash & Matt | A SoCal Story Reply:
September 16th, 2010 at 10:25 am
Oh, I totally agree with you. Though I value education, I’m not in the “degree-only photographers” camp. Some people are definitely more naturally talented in photography and ultimately, their work will speak for itself. A degree does not automatically make someone a professional, just like purchasing an expensive camera does not. However, I do think that formal education could only make a great self-taught photographer even better.
I have a more detailed response below but was just pointing out here that schools have begun to recognize the unique demands of wedding photography that go beyond technicalities. Which is to say, good for the schools-even though you can obviously be an incredible wedding photographer without their certificate. Brooks is top-notch, so it will be interesting to see if other schools start to mimic their program.
Jessica @ One Shiny Star Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
I think what I like about older photographers, self taught or not, is that they have that background knowledge of film cameras. Just like knowing how a piano works can make you a better pianist (keyboard or piano), knowing the actual working parts of the camera help you to understand better, even if the new cameras don’t have those parts, they still simulate it.
Also makes me think about the difference between being good at taking pictures, and being good at editing pictures. Of all the film-digital photographers I’ve seen, often times their original work is much better, because with film it was more about getting the perfect shot, and doing that by knowing your equipment, instead of taking hundreds of the same shot and then editing the good ones. there are benifits both ways though of course (bad lighting, environment, problems, much easier to just edit out stuff if you can’t fix it.). Okay… I’ll stop. I’m saying both are good, but I can appreciate what it takes to be a talented film photographer.
In my opinion, it’s the results that matter. I honestly never give a second thought as to whether someone has a degree or other formal education in art or photography. I want to see work samples. The results are there, the rest doesn’t matter. (A person needs talent, regardless of how many certifications or papers they have.) You, my dear, have talent!!!
22I went with someone self-taught for my wedding and I loved the pictures. I don’t think you should have any shame about being self-taught. On the other hand, I don’t think you should express scorn for people who just enjoy taking pictures and share that joy with others. It’s up to the consumer if they want to pay a “momtog,” or let her photograph them for free. Skills are worth what people are willing to pay!
23I agree with you that it seems like there are waaaaay too many ladies just picking up a fancy camera and calling themselves a photographer. Or saying, “Oh, I think I’d like to give that a go.” There are a few of my friends who I think might have done this and then they set up Facebook pages and invite me to “like” it. This is probably really mean, but I just can’t do it if I don’t think the quality of their photos look professional. Sometimes, I think they used a simple point and shoot and just played with the editing and colors a little bit (which is what I do, but am no where near calling myself a professional).
Having said that, I do think that there are people, like yourself, who have a true passion and talent for photography. Knowing that you taught yourself is only that much more impressive. I fully support those of you who really love doing this and create amazing pictures, regardless of your educational background in the field.
Chantal Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
I feel the same way about friends setting up facebook pages… My cousin just set up a page after having a dslr for one week and it was awful. But I felt like I had to “like” it because that would be really mean since she’s a relative, even though I really didn’t want to.
Cristin Reply:
September 15th, 2010 at 7:22 am
This string made me laugh - because seriously, who looks at the number of “likes” that someone’s facebook page has? I feel the same way - I’m tired of getting FB requests from girls I knew in high school or college that are now photographers, jewelry makers, web designers, etc. Without even looking at the quality of their work, I’m turned off because I wouldn’t choose anyone who uses Facebook as their primary marketing medium!
I think you should be proud that you are self-taught and produce such great photos!
25When choosing a photographer, I definitely look at the quality of their photos and their style. I have never once actually asked how they learned.
I totally agree with the “momtog” sentiment. I don’t want to sound mean, but my cousin just bought a dslr and a week later started a photography business taking senior pictures and children portraits. She started a facebook page and 75% of the photos she posted were out-of-focus. I saw her this weekend and she was taking pictures using her automatic settings with her flash on. I hope she does learn how to use her camera and improves but I just find it silly that she calls herself a photographer after having a dslr for one week and not knowing ho to use her camera’s settings.
26Good for you, Jenna! I think it’s fabulous that you are doing what you love - and truly, you’re improving at a rapid pace (that’s clear even to a total photography idiot like me). I think if you love something and get something from doing it, then it’s definitely worthy of pride - no matter how you came by it!
27This is something I’m thinking about as I start thinking about photographers for my future wedding, since anyone can buy a dSLR and set up a website. And a lot of people take pretty pictures. So I look a bit more into the “professional” side - Do they have second shooters? What kind of equipment are they using? Do they have backups? How will they handle an emergency? These are the things Uncle Bob might have trouble with, haha
Just as with any job, some people get their training on site, other people get theirs in the classroom first. In the end, for a business, it’ll be about what the client wants.
28okay, I’ll throw this out there. I’m a fairly new follower, and up until VERY recently (maybe a week ago) I didn’t realize you were self-taught. The only reason I figured it out is because you meantioned it somewhere (maybe Formspring?). I stalk photogs like crazy (those that have gone to schools, those that are momtogs, etc), and I put you in the “didn’t go to school but has attending a lot of classes and knows what they’re doing/very professional” category.
I think a lot of being a good photographer is just having the eye for it, and that isn’t something that can be learned in a classroom. I’ve seen photographers who have gone to the finest schools and taken the best classes, and they’re still not as good as some self-taught people.
I think you’ve got the talent, and it appears you’ve got the business sense.
So you rock. The end. (and everyone had to start somewhere!)
29I know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about photography, even though I wish that I did. But what I have noticed is that every photographer has their own unique style, and I’ve come across a lot of professionals with varying experience, and some (no matter what their training) simply don’t appeal to me. Other times, I find “mamarazzi” photos to be totally in line with my preference.
I think that there’s definitely room in that market to develop your own style, and you’ve clearly shown that you have the ability to grow and improve yourself. Who cares about classes? If you’re savvy enough to figure it out by yourself and do so well (and I do think you take incredible photos!), I give you two thumbs up.
30Jenna - I think you’re so brave to own up to being self-taught. I work as a graphic designer - but that’s how I describe my job. I “work as” a graphic designer, never I “am” a graphic designer. I feel, for some reason, that I don’t deserve the title of graphic designer - even though I am one! I think there are stigmas in the design community about self-taught designers too. Like anyone who buys InDesign or Quark is suddenly a graphic designer. Or worse, if you have Photoshop you’re a graphic designer. (Which is inane but that’s a whole tangent unto itself). And just like all the “momtogs” there are so many aspiring designers on Etsy putting out subpar work. I have a hard time separating them from myself despite the fact that the work I do is on a different level, despite the fact that for three years I have worked professionally as a designer. It’s just a weird self-esteem issue for me. I’m going to try to own my label of “self-taught” from now on because it isn’t something to be ashamed of. Thanks for posting about this Jenna!
31I have to admit that the huge amount of “momtogs” doesn’t help the case of the self-taught photographer, but anyone who looks at your work can tell in an instant that you know what you’re doing. I think the main thing- as others have said- is that you have a beautiful and impressive portfolio, you are constantly learning, and you are always trying to improve and expand your skills.
Plus your business/marketing/website are all very professional and well done, which also shows the time and thought you’ve put into it.
32Don’t care about school only about the photographs. Someone with no knowledge could go by the exact same camera and take totally different photos because they don’t understand technique. As long as your photos are great then people will use your services. Heck, maybe people should spread that info more and one day there will be no stigma.
33I don’t think you should be ashamed at all! Look how far you’ve come! You’re extremely talented and in the end that’s what matters. Personally if I were seeking a photographer, I’d be interested in seeing the work, not interested in whether they attended college. I think your work speaks for itself!
As for myself, I am a mom that owns a DSLR although I have never claimed to be a professional! I agree that just because you have a fancy camera does not make you a photographer and I am constantly explaining that to my friends and family. I have photographed several family events (for free, of course) and do enjoy taking photos of my son but it will always be a hobby of mine. It’s all in good fun! Having said that, I think it’s important to learn how to use your camera, whether it is a fancy DSLR or a regular point and shoot.
34One of my all time favorite photographers, Punam Bean, is self-taught. In fact, I think she said she used to click around on Flickr to learn about different techniques. Photography is an art, and I don’t think you need to go to art school to be a good artist - creativity is something you’re born with.
35I don’t think you should be ashamed at all! Look how far you’ve come! You’re extremely talented and in the end that’s what matters. Personally if I were seeking a photographer, I’d be interested in seeing the work, not interested in whether they attended college. I think your work speaks for itself!
As for myself, I am a mom that owns a DSLR although I have never claimed to be a professional! I agree that just because you have a fancy camera does not make you a photographer and I am constantly explaining that to my friends and family. I have photographed several family events (for free, of course) and do enjoy taking photos of my son but it will always be a hobby of mine. It’s all in good fun! Having said that, I think it’s important to learn how to use your camera, whether it is a fancy DSLR or a regular point and shoot.
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36How did your mom and sister learn photography? Are they also self taught or did they go to school for it? I personally think your photography is great and I remember being impressed by the photos on your blog/your Weddingbee posts even long before you launched your own business. You have a good eye and your family definitely has some kind of photography gene because your mom and sister are both great, too!
Jenna Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 6:21 pm
Both self-taught as well
I’m a big fan of school, obviously, since I’m in a PhD program, but when it comes to something artistic, I think what matters is-what do the pictures look like. And you ARE a great photographer and that is all that matters and that does make it all the more impressive that you’re self-taught.
I think there’s a big difference between being “self-taught” in that you’ve never taken a photo class and self-taught in that audo-didact way. I mean, you have always seemed very serious and sincere in your desire to improve yourself as a photographer. It’s not like you just read a book and called yourself a pro photog, you put in the work and the time to take yourself from one point to the next.
So all that’s to say that you’re right! You shouldn’t be ashamed, but proud!
38I do agree that there are way too many self-proclaimed photographers out there that has subpar work. I do encourage you to read this discussion on the very topic here. There are some discussion about religion and photography in the same post, but if that’s not your cup of tea, then the remainder of the discussion is still relevant to this post.
http://garyfong1.xanga.com/726581348/item/
Marissa C Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
Ugh…I’ve seen this before and I don’t agree at all. No film=cheaper prices, in my opinion. I didn’t look at any photographers that didn’t include the disc, because in 50 years, I want ALL my images, not just what I could afford at 22.
Marissa C Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
*didn’t look at photographers for my wedding, sorry!
Jenna Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 6:24 pm
He needs a lesson on tone, but most of his points are relevant. Low priced, over processed, poorly done photos are not something positive for the industry, ever. It would be better if they just didn’t exist.
Being a mom (or just anyone) with a fancy camera set to auto is a totally different thing from being a self-taught photographer. Not remotely close. Taking the time to learn photography both composition and the technical side and committing to continue learning is working towards being a self-taught photographer.
Not to mention, there are some truly amazing self-taught photogs out there… so be proud that you have the discipline to learn photography without a professor standing over you.
(not that there is anything wrong with being someone with a fancy camera set to auto if it makes you happy!)
Cristin Reply:
September 15th, 2010 at 7:24 am
Good point Tara… there’s a difference between “self-taught” photographer and “bought a camera so now I’m professional” photographer!
I agree with Nodakademic. It’s the work product that matters. I could less wher you got your training as long as the end product is beautiful, original and inspiring. I do think that there are some people who are more talented than others, but that is the business world. I can say that I think yyour work has grown more and more fabulous over time. Keep it up.
41I feel like I’m in the same boat. I took a film-based photojournalism class my senior year of high school and fell in love. I got a Canon dSLR 2.5 years ago and I’ve been doing free or cheap shoots since then. I really want to build it up into a business, but I’m trying to do it the “right” way-as in I’m about to take some photoshop and lightroom classes so I can really get full use out of them. I also know I need to invest in a second camera body better than a Rebel, another external hard drive, a good website, probably insurance, and I need to look into the what other legal status I need to have for this to be legit.
It does annoy me when people who have spent FAR less time than I have practicing “start” a business or charge more than the measly $100/session.
It also annoys me photographers who have been in the business for years get snippy, even though they are WAY behind the trends and charge bookoos of bucks for mediocre photos.
As for formal education-in the digital age, I don’t think it is necessary at all. I specifically avoided the photography instruction at my college because it was very “artsy” and film-based. I wouldn’t have learned anything I didn’t learn in the high school class.
I hired a self-taught girl right out of college with an education degree to do my wedding photos-and they were stunning. Her work spoke for her. Another girl I know hired a high priced dude (if you’re from Dallas-she was from Highland Park, if that tells you anything) and she had the WORST pictures I have ever seen. Ever.
42Hi Jenna,
I really respect your professionalism and business sense, qualities that I would guess many ‘momtogs’ lack. You strive to be completely transparent with clients and are communicative and enthusiastic. Add this to your natural talent and desire to deliver your best work and all in all, I can’t see why any client wouldn’t be thrilled to book you.
I’m curious though, from your perspective, what you see to be your primary technical improvements over this last year. I’m no expert - I know what I like and what I don’t - and I’ll be honest, there are pictures that I really like in your progression set and some which I like just a teenie bit less (and none of it has to do with at which point in time you were at). What do you like more about some of the later shots?
Again, congrats on all you have achieved. It is lovely to watch.
Jenna Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 6:49 pm
Thanks Michelle!
On average my work is:
more consistent
sharper
the colors are truer
I understand light better
among other things.
Cristin Reply:
September 15th, 2010 at 7:27 am
I hadn’t thought to ask the question that Michelle posed - but I’m glad that she did. I don’t often know WHY I like a photo, just that I like it. Its one of the reasons that I seldom comment on the Jenna Cole blog… i don’t feel like I have the kind of feedback that you would find valuable. It was cool to read your bullet points on where you’ve seen improvement, because I found myself nodding… YES! The way you use light IS cool… and YES - I love way you process/capture color.
My boyfriend is a graphic designer and so I know a little (ok, very little) about the creative field and how it does business, but one thing that he has has said time and time again is that where you went to school or what you majored in doesn’t matter nearly as much as your portfolio and your viewpoint/artistic eye and client’s happiness. Obviouisly you need a working knowledge of certain things, but being self taught really shouldn’t matter as your work (which is beautiful) and previous happy clients are what are more likely to speak volumes about your talent and future success.I certainly wouldn’t thin twice about hiring someone who was self-taught as long as I felt that I was going to get a quality product at the end
44I see a lot of clients (mine or others’) who love the images the photographer captures and decides they can do it too. That seems to happen more and more. It is frustrating to see.
I would rather someone LOVE my work and keep hiring me, rather than LOVE my work and decide they can do it too… and more often than not, they can’t. Not saying it in a snobby way, but it takes a lot of time, patience, studying, learning, and having the right eye to get there. many people don’t have ‘that eye.’
Jenna Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 6:53 pm
I don’t mind if people want to buy a camera and take more everday pictures, but it makes me sad to think that they don’t see the value of investing once a year or every few years in someone who can produce high quality work. I would never take my own family photos that really matter!
arden Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 8:42 pm
No, but I am speaking about women that are now taking photos of others… not just their family. I see all of these gals that hire great photogs for their wedding, family, babies, etc. and then decide they can go out, buy a camera and tell people ‘Hey you want to hire me, I’m cheap!’ No lie… Then throw the images into picasa and BAM they are now a ‘photographer.’ The painful thing, when people compliment them.
THough, I guess I was there once too. it seems SO SO long ago
I’m just starting out and I fell the same way you do. I’m just another girl with a camera. Heck, it’s technically my husband’s camera! (Well, it was, until I married him and now he never sees it!) But you know what, Jenna? You’re an AMAZING photographer. If, in 18 months, I can be where you are now, I’ll know I’ve been blessed! I shot photos of a sweet little 6-month old a few weeks ago. His mom told me my photos were WAY better than the ones she paid for. Just because you’re a self-taught mommy with a big camera, doesn’t mean you’re not a professionally awesome photographer. You inspire me!
46When I consider hiring a photographer, I always go straight to their website and look at their work. PERIOD. I never bother with their education, classes, etc. The work should always speak for itself. If I like what I see, I move on to other questions like pricing, equipment, etc.
As a fellow self-taught photographer, it bugs me to no end to hear people complain about the “easy” accessibility for new photographers.
First of all, they’re probably not in direct competition with seasoned pros (and if they are, it’s probably a sign that you need to quit worrying so much about newbie over there and step up your work and prices).
Secondly, it is still not as “easy” to get into professional photography as some of the pros make it out to be. I knew it would be expensive, but I’ve dropped thousands of dollars so far in my 6 months of business (starting with AT LEAST $500 if you’re buying a DSLR). Most people willing to spend that much money are committed to their work. Only a small amount of people have that kind of money to just blow, and if they’re blowing it, they won’t be around that long (and therefore no real threat).
I think it’s not so much the fact photography went digital that makes those cranky photogs than the fact that new photographers have the internet to grow their business quicker. I know a guy who’s been in photography since film and has all this amazing equipment and cool business cards but NO website. What?!? I’m just way too busy to go on a hunt to find samples of his work.
Bottom line, self-taught or not, we ALL start somewhere. And you have it right, it’s about where we are TODAY that matters.
LeiLani @ Elle Golden Photography Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
Oh, Chelsea reminded me of another point. There is a LOT to be said of self-taught photographers who are also very aware of the “right” way to start a business. I’ve spent thousands on my photography business, but none of it was on credit. I sold items on Ebay and reinvested session fees to get new equipment/software/etc.! I’m VERY proud of that!
And another thing…
I majored in history in college and always wondered how this explosion of content the digital age has brought will change how people in the future view us, as opposed to how we view those in the past.
http://garyfong1.xanga.com/726581348/item/
In the above link, the photographer ridicules someone who would pose a bride and groom jumping in an alley. I’m sorry-but I don’t think there is anything wrong with that! I would love to have seen my parents in more exuberant photos on their wedding day in the 1980s, and would have loved to see pictures of my great-grandparent’s wedding where they don’t look like they are at a funeral.
In my opinion, this trend away from “boring” poses and just more photos in general will be a really cool thing for later generations to see. I wonder what my great-grandchildren will think when they see pictures of “great-grandpa” in sunglasses with his groomsmen James Bond style. Or photos where we look completely in love like there is no one else around-because that is how we really felt!
48Someone earlier said that the difference with you is you have real talent, and I have to agree. I have seen plenty of my college sorority sisters(I’m graduated 5 years) whose husbands or parents bought them a dSLR and now they think they are some kind of photography buff, and want to make us pose for pictures all the time. I’d say the MAJOR difference between you (and others in a similar situation - our wedding photographer, for instance, who was awesome) and them is a sense of composition of the photograph. When the “Mamarazzi” (my favorite version of the term) take pictures, they are just taking a picture, and changing it to black and white or sienna to be “artsy” not using space, color, different sizes, focusing on different things (I have no idea about photography so I don’t know the words I’m looking for). Those are things you can learn in photography class, or you can learn along the way.
49I think there are so many resources out there to teach yourself that formal “school” is totally unnecessary. Photography is artwork and artwork is all about what looks good. Clearly you’ve figured out how to manipulate the subject, light and camera to make beautiful artwork, and that’s all that counts. If I were getting married next year instead of last, I would hire you as our photographer. I think your work is beautiful.
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